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Chinese chip maker SMIC's sales fall for third straight quarter

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Sales of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC) fell for the third consecutive quarter, reflecting the impact of a global smartphone slump and Washington's broadening campaign to curb China's technology sector.

The Shanghai-based chip maker reported a 15 per cent fall in revenue in the September quarter to US$1.62 billion, versus an average projection for US$1.64 billion. Net income dropped 80 per cent to US$94 million, compared with estimates for US$178.1 million.

The numbers missed despite hopes that the surprise popularity of a new range of 5G smartphones from Huawei Technologies would help offset lost sales.

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SMIC is one of the highest-profile companies at the heart of Beijing's ambitions to build a world-class tech sector less reliant on American innovations.

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China's largest chip maker helped Huawei build the 7-nanometre processor for the Mate 60 Pro, regarded as a major achievement for two companies that the US blacklisted years ago over national security concerns. Riding a wave of nationalist fervour, the device has sold out rapidly, taking business away from Apple's iPhone.

Huawei itself shows signs of resuming the growth that Washington's sanctions derailed.

State-backed SMIC is projected to return to growth in the peak December quarter, but its prospects may hinge on whether the US - which last month expanded existing curbs on China's chip sector - is contemplating further sanctions. US lawmakers have called for more restrictions, seizing on Huawei's unexpected breakthrough.

Shares of SMIC have climbed roughly 40 per cent since Huawei introduced the US$900-plus Mate 60 Pro in late August, just as US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo - whose department oversees the complex network of restrictions on chips - was visiting China.

SMIC's executives are expected to take questions about Huawei and its longer-term chip plans on Friday morning.

"Robust demand for Huawei devices, from servers to handsets, underscores local support for domestically produced chips, potentially sustaining the company's capacity utilization beyond expectations," Bloomberg Intelligence Analyst Charles Shum wrote in a note ahead of the results release.

Despite the boost from Huawei, SMIC continues to grapple with uncertainty in China's smartphone market, the world's largest.

Competition is intensifying in the Chinese smartphone market, which is already crowded with players from Xiaomi Corp to Oppo amid the industry's struggle to recover from a Covid-19-era slump.

Smartphone shipments in the country fell 5 per cent in the third quarter and none of the top five players sold more handsets than a year ago, according to research firm Canalys.

Major Chinese smartphone makers rely on Qualcomm and MediaTek for chip supply, but those two firms also outsource manufacturing to overseas contractors such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co and Globalfoundries.

Longer-term, it remains to be seen whether Beijing's overt support for the country's chip-related firms will pop up SMIC's bottom line.

"China's drive toward semiconductor self-sufficiency appears to buffer SMIC against anticipated third-quarter headwinds in sales and profit margins, despite broader market challenges from stagnant smartphone and consumer-electronics recoveries," Shum of Bloomberg Intelligence wrote in a note ahead of the chip maker's results release.

 
How many units did Huawei sell that contain this 7nm chip?

If SMIC business is dropping , where is the demand?

Hopefully the CCP can get the designers designing , the manufacturets making and the public buying!!!
 
how about the boost from Huawei? it's a fact that Huawei's new phone chip is from SMIC. didn't the Chinese media report the phone is selling over a million? shouldn't orders from Huawei boost their revenue?
 
how about the boost from Huawei? it's a fact that Huawei's new phone chip is from SMIC. didn't the Chinese media report the phone is selling over a million? shouldn't orders from Huawei boost their revenue?

It's still unknown who make chips for Huawei. Some say Huawei make it's own chips using SMIC IP and technical assistance,others say SMIC made chips for Huawei.
 
how about the boost from Huawei? it's a fact that Huawei's new phone chip is from SMIC. didn't the Chinese media report the phone is selling over a million? shouldn't orders from Huawei boost their revenue?

Does anyone know if they actually made more than 1 working phone?
 
how about the boost from Huawei? it's a fact that Huawei's new phone chip is from SMIC. didn't the Chinese media report the phone is selling over a million? shouldn't orders from Huawei boost their revenue?
Possibly the 7nm Huawei revenue is redirected by government away from SMIC, perhaps efforts were considered sourced from somewhere else.
 
how about the boost from Huawei? it's a fact that Huawei's new phone chip is from SMIC. didn't the Chinese media report the phone is selling over a million? shouldn't orders from Huawei boost their revenue?
1.6M Mate 60 Pros sold in the first 6 weeks. But if yields are low, that’s a lot of expensive-to-produce wafers delivering lower revenue than typical (I would assume Huawei has lots of pricing leverage with HiSilicon). Projected numbers seem all over the place. I remember seeing 20M when the Mate 60 Pro launched, but now reports are talking about Huawei ”increasing“ orders to 15-17M units. With an increase in orders, why is HiSilicon predicting a lower Q4 ? Are these 7nm wafers tying up fab capacity and producing less revenue ? Who knows.
 
1.6M Mate 60 Pros sold in the first 6 weeks. But if yields are low, that’s a lot of expensive-to-produce wafers delivering lower revenue than typical (I would assume Huawei has lots of pricing leverage with HiSilicon). Projected numbers seem all over the place. I remember seeing 20M when the Mate 60 Pro launched, but now reports are talking about Huawei ”increasing“ orders to 15-17M units. With an increase in orders, why is HiSilicon predicting a lower Q4 ? Are these 7nm wafers tying up fab capacity and producing less revenue ? Who knows.
The wafer shipments haven't changed in quantity much over the past year https://semiwiki.com/forum/index.ph...-for-third-straight-quarter.19115/#post-65330 So I think SMIC was asked (by the government) to give up some money, essentially getting nothing for the 7nm wafers.
 
1.6M Mate 60 Pros sold in the first 6 weeks. But if yields are low, that’s a lot of expensive-to-produce wafers delivering lower revenue than typical (I would assume Huawei has lots of pricing leverage with HiSilicon). Projected numbers seem all over the place. I remember seeing 20M when the Mate 60 Pro launched, but now reports are talking about Huawei ”increasing“ orders to 15-17M units. With an increase in orders, why is HiSilicon predicting a lower Q4 ? Are these 7nm wafers tying up fab capacity and producing less revenue ? Who knows.
Simple thought: higher unit volume and lower revenue implied lower ASP which could be less high-end phones and more middle or low-end phones. Higher 7nm wafer start/demand but less revenue or yielded wafer output implies lots of wafers scrapped in production line which can not turn into revenue but become cost.
 
Simple thought: higher unit volume and lower revenue implied lower ASP which could be less high-end phones and more middle or low-end phones. Higher 7nm wafer start/demand but less revenue or yielded wafer output implies lots of wafers scrapped in production line which can not turn into revenue but become cost.
3Q23 shipped 15% fewer wafers than 3Q22 so that could be the 15% drop in revenue (YoY).

It actually suggests they don't charge more for a 7nm wafer than a more mature node wafer, which is in line with being requested to give up revenue on a 7nm wafer.
 
3Q23 shipped 15% fewer wafers than 3Q22 so that could be the 15% drop in revenue (YoY).

It actually suggests they don't charge more for a 7nm wafer than a more mature node wafer, which is in line with being requested to give up revenue on a 7nm wafer.
Fred: For lower yield wafer production, the business deal will go to die-buy instead of wafer-buy. If the good die number is very low, it will be possible that " they don't charge more for a 7nm wafer than mature node wafer".
 
Fred: For lower yield wafer production, the business deal will go to die-buy instead of wafer-buy. If the good die number is very low, it will be possible that " they don't charge more for a 7nm wafer than mature node wafer".
That's true, so in that case, then really, there were no 7nm wafers shipped.

Yield may or may not be so dismal after running some previous 7nm trials (Minerva).
 
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That's true, so in that case, then really, there were no 7nm wafers shipped.

Yield may or may not be so dismal after running some previous 7nm trials (Minerva).
Die-buy means the wafers are shipped, tested CP ( for lower yield wafers, I believed it should be screened by CP not FT), counted GDPW and paid on good dies.
For example, if there were 100 good dies/wafer and the die-buy deal is $10/die, then $1000 will be paid for that wafer. Then the wafers were still shipped but got charged could be less than mature nodes. FYI.
 
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