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Xi Jinping admits China is 'relatively weak' on innovation and needs more talent to dominate the tech 'battlefield'

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Updated Wed, June 26, 2024 at 8:31 AM PDT·3 min read
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China's leader, Xi Jinping, is urging his country to innovate in the tech sector. He praised China's progress overall but highlighted several pressing shortcomings in the country. He said China's innovation was "still relatively weak" and the country had a shortage of top talent.

China's leader, Xi Jinping, said the country faces several shortcomings in its race to become the world's tech powerhouse, admitting that its innovation is "relatively weak" and that its scientists are overburdened.

To be sure, Xi said Tuesday at a national conference in Beijing that China's science industries were strong overall.

But he also highlighted glaring challenges and pressed the country to focus on tech growth, which he said is now the "main battlefield of international competition."
"Although the country's science and technology development has made great progress, its original innovation capabilities are still relatively weak," Xi said.

Xi mentioned innovation 55 times in his speech on Tuesday, emphasizing it while discussing artificial intelligence, quantum technology, biotech, and new energy.

And China's tech breakthroughs are too scattered across various companies and sectors for Xi's liking. He says they suffer a "low degree of organization and coordination" that needs addressing.

Core technologies are out of China's hands, Xi says​

Key to his push for innovation is the idea of China becoming self-reliant — a common theme across all of his ideologies — especially as tensions with the West grow.
"The scientific and technological revolution and the wrestling between superpowers are intertwined," Xi said.

While he did not name the US, Xi said it was clear China would have to fix how "some key core technologies are controlled by others."

The comment comes as the US has threatened to expand sanctions on several Chinese chip firms linked to Huawei and blocked the sale of advanced semiconductors essential to developing artificial-intelligence technology.

Last week, the US Treasury Department called China a "country of concern" and proposed new rules to limit international investment in "the next generation of military, intelligence, surveillance or cyber-enabled capabilities that pose national security risks to the United States."

Researchers still caught up in red tape​

Xi also said China suffers from a shortage of manpower and top talent in the tech and science spaces. Researchers still complain about "heavy nonacademic burdens" like red tape with publishing papers, busywork in official reports, and asking for resources, he said.

He added that China would have to improve its "incentive systems," such as offering better awards for science and tech and a more even wage system for employees and researchers.

While the US has been in the middle of its own tech boom, thanks in part to giants like OpenAI, Nvidia, Amazon, and Microsoft, Business Insider previously reported that bosses in China's tech sector are upping the pressure on workers following the loss of about $1.3 trillion in market value by the country's top five tech companies since 2021.

The Chinese government has been especially focused on developing artificial-intelligence technology. BI previously reported that an April report by Microsoft indicated China-linked social-media accounts planned on using AI-generated media to influence elections in the US.

With all that was said on Tuesday, it's clear Xi wants China to not just be a major player in the tech space — he wants the country to dominate it.

"We must bolster our sense of urgency. We must go further with our efforts to innovate," Xi said. "To occupy the commanding heights of science and tech competition and future development."

Read the original article on Business Insider
 
This is what happens when your tech culture is to copy others. You are chasing the ball rather than kicking it.
Not sure if that’s the case any more. The Economist had an article about how China is the bew science superpower.

A key quote from the article:

“According to the Leiden Ranking of the volume of scientific research output, there are now six Chinese universities or institutions in the world top ten, and seven according to the Nature Index. They may not be household names in the West yet, but get used to hearing about Shanghai Jiao Tong, Zhejiang and Peking (Beida) Universities in the same breath as Cambridge, Harvard and eth Zurich. “Tsinghua is now the number one science and technology university in the world,” says Simon Marginson, a professor of higher education at Oxford University. “That’s amazing. They’ve done that in a generation.”

https://archive.ph/2024.06.15-20490...6/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower
 
This is what happens when your tech culture is to copy others. You are chasing the ball rather than kicking it.

Recently, Xiaomi, the #1 China smartphone maker, released its model SU7 electric car. Coincidently the external look is so similar to Porsche Taycan. It's ridiculously funny. As big as Xiaomi is and as rich as Xiaomi is, they don't even bother to be different!?


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This is what happens when your tech culture is to copy others. You are chasing the ball rather than kicking it.

Back to our beloved semiconductor industry, PRC's records are full of tragedies, brutality, corruptions, and ridiculousness.

Here is the infamous Hanxin Processors scandal.


 
Not sure if that’s the case any more. The Economist had an article about how China is the bew science superpower.

A key quote from the article:

“According to the Leiden Ranking of the volume of scientific research output, there are now six Chinese universities or institutions in the world top ten, and seven according to the Nature Index. They may not be household names in the West yet, but get used to hearing about Shanghai Jiao Tong, Zhejiang and Peking (Beida) Universities in the same breath as Cambridge, Harvard and eth Zurich. “Tsinghua is now the number one science and technology university in the world,” says Simon Marginson, a professor of higher education at Oxford University. “That’s amazing. They’ve done that in a generation.”

https://archive.ph/2024.06.15-20490...6/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower
Top university ranking or publishing in high-impact-factor journals (e.g., Nature or Science) is one story, leading the critical industry such as semiconductor is another (totally different) thing. Taiwan doesn't have any top ranked univeristy but they control the key knob of global information technology. Even (major) Chinese people completely disagree with those ranking results and feel fooled. Now they mainly care about the lithogaphy/scanner and GAA transistors, which are usually considered as engineering topics instead of scientific fields in the west.
 
Admittedly I have not been to China since the pandemic but when I was there the fabless companies I saw were chasers. That has probably changed now that China is in the advanced semiconductor no fly zone but the semiconductor industry is moving fast so China will continue to chase, my opinion.
 
Top university ranking or publishing in high-impact-factor journals (e.g., Nature or Science) is one story, leading the critical industry such as semiconductor is another (totally different) thing. Taiwan doesn't have any top ranked univeristy but they control the key knob of global information technology. Even (major) Chinese people completely disagree with those ranking results and feel fooled. Now they mainly care about the lithogaphy/scanner and GAA transistors, which are usually considered as engineering topics instead of scientific fields in the west.
I am not sure how the comparison between Chinese and Taiwanese semiconductor industries would look like if China had equal access to semiconductor manufacturing tools.
 
It is strange that he said that. China just completed moon sample mission. They claim to have parity or even superiority in electronic, medical, material, industrial...

I think that translation from comunist to normal terminology would be: They found huge problem in their military and they need something to blame it on. Maybe huge purge in academia is coming. They already canceled private tutoring.

I am not sure how the comparison between Chinese and Taiwanese semiconductor industries would look like if China had equal access to semiconductor manufacturing tools.
Equal? That's funny. China pioneered unequal market access well since 80's and this is how they built their industrial overcapacity. Why is any pushback from victims which want more equal conditions surprising?
 
I am not sure how the comparison between Chinese and Taiwanese semiconductor industries would look like if China had equal access to semiconductor manufacturing tools.
Well, they did until fairly recently. So I think we already know the answer.

Of course, it helps if you can maintain a laser focus on the core job if you want to be a TSMC, without the distractions of having to demonstrate other achievements (conforming to various political or idealogical objectives). Incidentally something which gives TSMC an inherent advantage over subsidised competitors in the West. You cannot serve two masters as well as you can serve one.
 
Public speeches in communist countries are not about what leaders think, or even have anything to do about.

These speeches are written by speechwriters, and probably with zero input by Xi itself.

Updated Wed, June 26, 2024 at 8:31 AM PDT·3 min read
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ffd9f83afbb3910ec138a790f8cdd36e


China's leader, Xi Jinping, is urging his country to innovate in the tech sector. He praised China's progress overall but highlighted several pressing shortcomings in the country. He said China's innovation was "still relatively weak" and the country had a shortage of top talent.

China's leader, Xi Jinping, said the country faces several shortcomings in its race to become the world's tech powerhouse, admitting that its innovation is "relatively weak" and that its scientists are overburdened.

To be sure, Xi said Tuesday at a national conference in Beijing that China's science industries were strong overall.

But he also highlighted glaring challenges and pressed the country to focus on tech growth, which he said is now the "main battlefield of international competition."
"Although the country's science and technology development has made great progress, its original innovation capabilities are still relatively weak," Xi said.

Xi mentioned innovation 55 times in his speech on Tuesday, emphasizing it while discussing artificial intelligence, quantum technology, biotech, and new energy.

And China's tech breakthroughs are too scattered across various companies and sectors for Xi's liking. He says they suffer a "low degree of organization and coordination" that needs addressing.

Core technologies are out of China's hands, Xi says​

Key to his push for innovation is the idea of China becoming self-reliant — a common theme across all of his ideologies — especially as tensions with the West grow.
"The scientific and technological revolution and the wrestling between superpowers are intertwined," Xi said.

While he did not name the US, Xi said it was clear China would have to fix how "some key core technologies are controlled by others."

The comment comes as the US has threatened to expand sanctions on several Chinese chip firms linked to Huawei and blocked the sale of advanced semiconductors essential to developing artificial-intelligence technology.

Last week, the US Treasury Department called China a "country of concern" and proposed new rules to limit international investment in "the next generation of military, intelligence, surveillance or cyber-enabled capabilities that pose national security risks to the United States."

Researchers still caught up in red tape​

Xi also said China suffers from a shortage of manpower and top talent in the tech and science spaces. Researchers still complain about "heavy nonacademic burdens" like red tape with publishing papers, busywork in official reports, and asking for resources, he said.

He added that China would have to improve its "incentive systems," such as offering better awards for science and tech and a more even wage system for employees and researchers.

While the US has been in the middle of its own tech boom, thanks in part to giants like OpenAI, Nvidia, Amazon, and Microsoft, Business Insider previously reported that bosses in China's tech sector are upping the pressure on workers following the loss of about $1.3 trillion in market value by the country's top five tech companies since 2021.

The Chinese government has been especially focused on developing artificial-intelligence technology. BI previously reported that an April report by Microsoft indicated China-linked social-media accounts planned on using AI-generated media to influence elections in the US.

With all that was said on Tuesday, it's clear Xi wants China to not just be a major player in the tech space — he wants the country to dominate it.

"We must bolster our sense of urgency. We must go further with our efforts to innovate," Xi said. "To occupy the commanding heights of science and tech competition and future development."

Read the original article on Business Insider
 
Well, they did until fairly recently. So I think we already know the answer.

Of course, it helps if you can maintain a laser focus on the core job if you want to be a TSMC, without the distractions of having to demonstrate other achievements (conforming to various political or idealogical objectives). Incidentally something which gives TSMC an inherent advantage over subsidised competitors in the West. You cannot serve two masters as well as you can serve one.
Were Chinese able to buy EUV machines?
 
Obviously not (as implied in my comment).

My point was that you can compare where they had got to against the leading edge *before the EUV export ban*.
There were restrictions on companies building FABs in China before the ban. I believe, they had to be at least two generations behind the leading node.
 
I am not sure how the comparison between Chinese and Taiwanese semiconductor industries would look like if China had equal access to semiconductor manufacturing tools.
In memory, it's more level playing ground. They have 3D NAND and sub-20nm DRAM, as well as 3D DRAM plans.
 
Recently, Xiaomi, the #1 China smartphone maker, released its model SU7 electric car. Coincidently the external look is so similar to Porsche Taycan. It's ridiculously funny. As big as Xiaomi is and as rich as Xiaomi is, they don't even bother to be different!?
You should read the reviews. You will find that despite clearly copying the look, everything else about it is different. An in many ways, better. It is much cheaper, has good range, is comfortable, has nice interior, good electronics and reasonably advanced driving assist. Performance is moderate for EVs, which is to say quite good compared to ICE. It is probably better to compare it to the Apple car that was cancelled. While Apple struggled to be exceptional, Xiaomi seems to be focused on being very practical and everyday good. They delivered with much less drama.

It is better to pay attention, not just laugh.

But on the topic at the top of the thread, I doubt the Party is a path to excellence. It is, after all, politicians. Even the ones with technical degress, which includes Xi, have spent all their working lives in politics. Expecting that to drive a solution in China is like expecting CHIPS to be decisive here. If CHIPS works it will be because industry was able to leverage the funds in good ways. If we had no practical experience to work with it would be far more certain to be wasted funds.
 
You should read the reviews. You will find that despite clearly copying the look, everything else about it is different. An in many ways, better. It is much cheaper, has good range, is comfortable, has nice interior, good electronics and reasonably advanced driving assist. Performance is moderate for EVs, which is to say quite good compared to ICE. It is probably better to compare it to the Apple car that was cancelled. While Apple struggled to be exceptional, Xiaomi seems to be focused on being very practical and everyday good. They delivered with much less drama.

It is better to pay attention, not just laugh.

But on the topic at the top of the thread, I doubt the Party is a path to excellence. It is, after all, politicians. Even the ones with technical degress, which includes Xi, have spent all their working lives in politics. Expecting that to drive a solution in China is like expecting CHIPS to be decisive here. If CHIPS works it will be because industry was able to leverage the funds in good ways. If we had no practical experience to work with it would be far more certain to be wasted funds.

I follow Xiaomi EV story closely and laughed on it a little bit. But I felt more sadness than funny on it.

Xiaomi 2023 revenue was $37.4 billion and had more than 32,000 employees. Why such big company shamelessly copied the look of Porsche without any repercussion?

I have to say the PRC/CCP encourages this bad behavior. Worst, the mainland China society is cheering for this bad behavior.

Are ingenuity, creativity, and innovation so dangerous and so meaningless to the world number 3 smartphone maker Xiaomi?

At the same time across the Taiwan Strait, the ROC (Taiwan) shows the world totally opposite to what Xiaomi did. Why?
 
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