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Qualcomm counters Intel about its performance claims

Daniel Nenni

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Qualcomm's CEO presenting Snapdragon X Elite CPUs at Computex 2024.

Qualcomm's CEO presenting Snapdragon X Elite CPUs at Computex 2024.

In the year since Qualcomm first debuted its Snapdragon X Elite, the competition hasn’t been silent. Intel released both Meteor Lake and Lunar Lake chips, the latter of which felt like a legitimate response to Qualcomm’s advances in battery life and efficiency.

But Qualcomm isn’t impressed by Intel’s latest offerings.

Qualcomm doesn’t have new PC chips to announce at its annual summit — instead, the company spent some time with journalists pointing out that some of the claims made by Intel are leaving out some important details.

Qualcomm has two main criticisms of how Intel has talked about its new Lunar Lake or Core Ultra Series 2 chips. First, that Intel has left off from its direct comparisons Qualcomm’s highest configuration, the X1E-84-100. Instead, Intel relies on the X1E-80-100 and X1E-78-100 in its comparisons. According to the numbers Qualcomm presented, as you can see in the graph below, leaving out the X1E-84-100 allows Intel to take the lead in some performance benchmarks. The other slight wrinkle, according to Qualcomm, in Intel’s marketing is that its own highest-end configuration, the Core Ultra 9 288V, isn’t yet available in retailers. That call into question Intel’s claim that these are “the fastest cores.”

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The larger argument, of course, is that Qualcomm’s part still offers better power efficiency. In particular, Qualcomm calls out the fact that Lunar Lake chips consume 38% more power at peak performance.

Of course, performance wasn’t Intel’s biggest claim with the Core Ultra Series 2. It was all about battery life. And in my own testing, I was thoroughly impressed by just how long these laptops last, especially in the most demanding workloads. For now, it takes the crown in terms of battery life.

Qualcomm doesn’t dispute Intel’s ambitious claims, but notes that Intel isn’t telling the whole story. As we learned in our own testing, Core Ultra Series 2 chips don’t perform well on battery, which is a strength of Arm chips, including both Snapdragon X Elite chips and Apple Silicon. Qualcomm shows that across the board, Intel’s latest chips have a serious dip in performance while on battery, dropping as much as 54% in some tests.

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To be fair, this has always been true of Intel’s chips, but Qualcomm has a point. As long as Intel’s battery life is, it’s true that you’re losing a solid amount of performance. That’s not true with the Snapdragon X Elite.

For most people, however, they just might choose the extra hours of battery life over some performance. Let’s not forget: we’re talking about small, thin-and-light laptops — not high-performance machines. That calculation might change in larger, more powerful laptops. But right now, Intel’s focus on battery life feels like the right choice — even if it was being a bit misleading when comparing against Qualcomm.

 
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I think Intel's performance is alright, and it is moving in the right direction.

The profile enables quiet computing even when it is plugged in and under heavy use. Additionally, Lunar Lake laptops are very light, which is very important for commuting by bicycle. Lastly, x86 does not have any compatibility issues.

Personally, I usually use my laptop on a desk that has several power outlets. When I bring my laptop to a meeting, it is not plugged in but is just running Teams.

I remote into my workstation, which is performing heavy compute tasks. Our lab also has a small cluster, and the university has its own cluster. If that is still not enough, AWS is an option.
 
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Lastly, x86 does not have any compatibility issues.
Exactly. Until Qualcomm and Microsoft iron out the Windows on Snapdragon compatibility issues, all the above bickering between Qualcomm and Intel is background noise unintelligible to non-technical buyers, which are most of them.

If Qualcomm really wants a performance metric that will matter to us dummies, pick a common workload (MS Office, Netflix streaming, etc.) and measure the total time the fan is on in each product over a given test interval. Of course, Qualcomm may find the difference is negligible or zero.
 
MacOS beats the pants off Windows in reliability and security. No weekly updates either.
Not gonna lie if one day someone just stole everything from folk using MacOS and IOS on their phones ,as the patronising talk from their users can get very very tiresome, it would be hilarious.
 
Not gonna lie if one day someone just stole everything from folk using MacOS and IOS on their phones ,as the patronising talk from their users can get very very tiresome, it would be hilarious.
It's not that difficult for IOS. Just wait in a bar or some other public place, until an iPhone owner enters their six digit passcode, memorize it, and then swipe their phone. With the passcode you can change their Apple-ID password, add yourself in FaceID, and probably get into every financial app they have on the phone. If you change the password it'll keep them from accessing their Macs too. You can remove their other devices from the Apple-ID account, so that they can't get into iCloud. It can be a complete disaster.


Apple's response is pretty lame too:


My solution: never enter your passcode in a public place with people around. Ever.

Still, having had side-by-side Apple and Android phones (Samsung), and currently two Win11 laptops to support, also iPads versus Samsung tablets, I'd rather use and support Apple products every time. The newer Dell laptop just had to go through a 30 minute "Dell update", which Dell doesn't seem to notify you about (perhaps I just don't have a preference set right), you have to check periodically, and then Microsoft decided Win11 needed another 20 minute update, in addition to the quick Defender update it does daily. And then there's the McAfee malware Dell ships on their laptops I had to get rid of when it was new. MacOS Finder is still annoying compared to Windows Explorer, and the Windows version of Office seems more intuitive to use than the Mac version (what a surprise), but Apple products are far less annoying. Windows still annoys me on a regular basis, and every PC vendor I've encountered (except Microsoft) still tortures everyone with their bloatware/malware nonsense. If that opinion is obnoxious, sorry not sorry, as my wife sometimes says.
 
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Is the laptop market really growing? I'm sick of Windows, I'm switching to Apple next time around.
As long as you don't play (Steam) games, there's no downside (other than cost) to Macbooks at this point. The unified memory for GPU and CPU also has a lot of advantages for certain applications, such as LLMs..

On the flip side - don't discount an iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard as a daily driver :). No fan, superior screen, has Stage Manager just like macOS, etc..
 
Qualcomm's strongest argument for their product was battery life. With Lunar Lake having excellent battery life, the wind in their sails has been greatly diminished. Yes they may have better performance on battery. But to the average joe the experience of finding a single application which they may need not working on a Qualcomm product is a far greater negative experience than having all of their software working a bit slower on battery. I wonder why they didn't bring up graphics performance. ;)
 
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