TSMC cuts ties with Singapore firm over chip found in Huawei processor: sources

[XYang2023]

I did not intend to bring this up, but corruption came up during the discussion. I mentioned the Taiwanese TV show to highlight what some, possibly a significant portion of the population in Taiwan, think about the US and China. The Xinhua news reference was meant to provide additional context. However, the points raised in the Taiwanese TV show are more relevant.

 

[Paul2]

On paper China has lot more scholars, scientists, engineers, and college graduates than any free world countries. In reality, CCP has been killing them and abusing them all the time. We need to understand the political system is one of the biggest reasons that lead to Taiwan's success in semiconductor industry while the much larger mainland China is still dreaming to catch up.

Both Taiwan, and the mainland had almost zero industry by sixties, and both only started to industrialise at the same time, and with similar outlook for what is needed.

And, in general, less corrupt societies and countries are richer and more innovative than more corrupt ones.

I would disagree, mainland's development was going way faster at the time when you can bribe a provincial chairman with 1 monthly Taiwanese salary.

 

[Jert]

Unfortunately, only state media provided comprehensive coverage.

ONLY state media is allowed to film and "report", because they are 100% CCP and they only "report" what CCP wants to report.

 

[tonyget]

We need to understand the political system is one of the biggest reasons that lead to Taiwan's success in semiconductor industry

TW‘s political system isn't that unique in the world. Attributing TW‘s semiconductor success to political system，is akin to some white people attributing the rise of the West to racial supremacy

while the much larger mainland China is still dreaming to catch up.

No Chinese leader want Chinese semiconductor industry to be like TW, which is a very vulnerable to the outside world. If TW were cutoff from external supply，the fab production won't last a week，not exactly a robust model China inspired to become.

TW has access to more advanced foreign tools which China doesn't have，that is THE only advantage TW semiconductor has over China's. TW semiconductor is specialized towards fabrication segment，but very weak in other segment，such as tools/materials/EDA etc

 

[tooLongInEDA]

TW‘s political system isn't that unique in the world. Attributing TW‘s semiconductor success to political system，is akin to some white people attributing the rise of the West to racial supremacy



No Chinese leader want Chinese semiconductor industry to be like TW, which is a very vulnerable to the outside world. If TW were cutoff from external supply，the fab production won't last a week，not exactly a robust model China inspired to become.

TW has access to more advanced foreign tools which China doesn't have，that is THE only advantage TW semiconductor has over China's. TW semiconductor is specialized towards fabrication segment，but very weak in other segment，such as tools/materials/EDA etc

Regardless of what Chinese leaders do or don't want, it's surely no accident that the highly globalised, interdependent model of the semiconductor industry has been so successful. And that state ownership has never worked. The US hasn't been able to permanently and wholly own the business. I don't see China doing it. I find the attitude attributed to the Chinese leaders here perverse - rather than look at the success of Taiwan/TSMC and seek to learn from it, do they assume they can force a different model ? The attitude expressed here seems to pre-date Adam Smith ...

 

[ddm]

Taiwan's TV program comparing the two responses to natural disasters(in Chinese though):

Most people in Taiwan will tell you that TV program is an entertainment show. To be fair, ALL political TV programs in Taiwan are entertainment for their supports.

The youtube channel, not a TV program anymore, you post likes to talk shit on US

My point is that even people in Taiwan have more confidence in the long-term prospects for China.

I think if you give them choice more people in Taiwan would like to become U.S. citizens. But if it is choosing between war with China or being a part of China, more people will choose to be part of China after seeing what happened to Ukraine.

However, the points raised in the Taiwanese TV show are more relevant.

Would you use the points raised by Fox News ?
Seriously, CtiNews and Setnews in Taiwan are just like CNN and Fox news in US. They are just talking heads. Don't take their word for it.