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Semiconductor Fundamentals Are All Weak

Daniel Nenni

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Semiconductor Industry is weak 2025.png

Executive Summary
Annualised growth rates retreated slightly in May, with Total Semiconductors growing 18.2 percent, down from last month’s 22.8 percent and March’s 18.7 percent and, whilst still in double-digit growth terrain, was still sizeably down from August 2024’s 28.5 percent cyclical peak.

Total ICs continued to be the star sector performer, at a healthy 22.9 percent, albeit slightly down from 25.1 percent in April, with Opto at minus 5.5 percent and Discretes at plus 4.8 percent, vs. last month’s plus 16.0 percent and plus 5.5 percent respectively.

Whilst the overall IC market still showed strong double-digit growth, the overall trend is flat, at around the 20 percent level, varying from August 2024’s 36.2 percent peak to January 2025’s 14.8 percent low.

Monthly Annualised SC Growth Rate Trends
(Jan 2019-May 2025 – Percent of US$)

Monthly Annualised Semiconductor Growth Rate Trends.jpg


Source: WSTS / Future Horizons​

We still expect to see this trend turn down in the coming months, as per past cyclical patterns, with the only uncertainty being when this will happen.

Market Growth Indicators
The 3/12 curve fell back slightly in May, to 19.8 percent, vs. 20.6 percent in April, 18.8 percent in March and 17.1 percent in February, whilst the 12/12 curve increased to 20.1 percent, up from 19.6 percent in April and March, more in keeping with the curve having reached its traditional cyclical peak.

As a result, the gap between the two curves reversed from last month’s plus 1.0 percentage points to minus 0.3, pushing the growth momentum indicator back into Death Cross territory.

Given the depressed state of the non-AI market sectors, the worsening overall global economic outlook, the still on-going excess inventory and massive overcapacity, April’s excursion into calm waters looks likely a short-lived gain before moving back into the storm, with the length and timing of the transition depending on how much longer the current AI infrastructure boom prevails.

Disaster Waiting To Happen
April’s total CapEx spend as a percent of semiconductor sales was 19.4 percent in April, vs. 22.6 percent and 18.4 percent in March and February respectively. The long-term safe-haven trend is 14 percent.

The equivalent numbers for Wafer Processing (Front-End) Equipment CapEx spend were 16.4 percent, 19.0 percent and 13.0 percent respectively, with the overall trend again well above the 11.0 percent long-term safe-haven trend.

The industry is continuing to stubbornly over-spend on CapEx, with no sign yet of any attempt to cut back, let alone move back below the trend line to compensate for the last two-plus years of excess capacity investment.

The current trend is parallel to the massive over-investment euphoria in the mid-1990’s memory and 2000’s dot.com booms.

We should all know by now how this scenario will end, we just never know when, but past experiences are more often forgotten than learned, allowing irrational exuberance and bad practices to prevail.

Greed always overcomes fear before the whole thing goes ka-boom.

A timely reminder to reflect on Albert Einstein’s quote “Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result?”

Malcolm Penn

Read The Full Report Here: https://www.futurehorizons.com/page/137/
 
I'd like to hear more about the excess inventory - what sections are in this state?

I am also curious if some "depressed demand" in other sectors is due to AI pushing up prices of certain products.
 
I'd like to hear more about the excess inventory - what sections are in this state?

I am also curious if some "depressed demand" in other sectors is due to AI pushing up prices of certain products.

Supply is not a problem as legacy fabs are running at 70-80% capacity. TSMC leading edge fabs are closer to 100%. The big offset is unit sales and ASP. AI chips are ridiculously priced so while the semiconductor industry will certainly hot $1T in the coming years the unit count will be much lower than expected before the AI surge. It is hard to believe that a semiconductor company is the most valuable in the world (Nvidia). Exciting times in the semiconductor industry, absolutely.
 
It is hard to believe that a semiconductor company is the most valuable in the world (Nvidia). Exciting times in the semiconductor industry, absolutely.
We've gone full circle then -- ~ 1979-1980 IBM had the highest market cap of all companies worldwide :)

(Though IBM had a good chunk of it's business in services already by 1980, not just Hardware and Software)
 
From the graph, it is clear what happens next. Please do not be surprised and say "no one saw this coming"

Then we will blame it on Trump or DEI (depending on your political leaning).

I will blame it on the fact that semis are cyclical.... there are fundamental reasons for the cyclical behavior
 
We've gone full circle then -- ~ 1979-1980 IBM had the highest market cap of all companies worldwide :)

(Though IBM had a good chunk of it's business in services already by 1980, not just Hardware and Software)

Current market Caps:
  1. Nvidia (~ $4 trillion)
  2. Microsoft (~ $3.7 trillion)
  3. Apple (~ $3.1 trillion)
  4. Amazon (~ $2.5 trillion)
  5. Alphabet (Google) (~ $1.9 trillion)
  6. Meta Platforms (~ $1.8 trillion)
IBM (~ $264 billion)
 
Current market Caps:
  1. Nvidia (~ $4 trillion)
  2. Microsoft (~ $3.7 trillion)
  3. Apple (~ $3.1 trillion)
  4. Amazon (~ $2.5 trillion)
  5. Alphabet (Google) (~ $1.9 trillion)
  6. Meta Platforms (~ $1.8 trillion)
IBM (~ $264 billion)
Intel: ~ $100 billion :)
 
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