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Arthur Hanson

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Intel 3D XPoint, Pictured: Microsoft Joins The Party

Not being familiar with Intel and Micron and how they release products, could the community give me any thoughts on a release date and type? Also any thoughts or comments on the migration pathway and timing of this product? My thoughts are that 3DxPoint could be a major game changer in everything from data centers to mobile. Thanks
 
Both Intel and Micron have been specifically vague on exact product dates, pricing and configuration. Looks like they may offer them as SSD and DIMM replacements.
 
Good question. I'm getting ready to watch a presentation on just that:

"Enabling the Next Non-Volatile Memory Revolution"

Guy Blalock
Executive Officer
IM Flash Technologies

Abstract:

Non-volatile memory is at an exciting cross road where the possibility of revolutionizing the memory marketplace is, once again, becoming a reality. Technologies such as 3D NAND and 3D XPoint[SUP]TM[/SUP] will offer mobile and computing world solutions that will dramatically and fundamentally improve end applications. 3D XPoint[SUP]TM[/SUP] specifically offers a path to provide massive amounts of memory storage at a latency rate sufficient to place it in close proximity to the CPU. This is good news for the entire memory eco system. The backdrop to this exciting potential is an aggressive increase in the process complexity that is drastically challenging manufacturing efficiencies. This complexity manifests itself in three fundamental and significant ways:

1) Vastly increased number of required processing steps

2) Volume of fundamentally new process equipment

3) Significant quantities of new materials and chemistries

These three factors represent the iceberg in our path to success. The amount of capitalization required to transition current manufacturing to new technologies is unprecedented for memory manufacturing. Historically, as new equipment and materials have been required to progress technology shrinks, equipment productivity improvements have been able to hold serve with process complexity. However, with these new generations of memory, the equipment productivity and simplification improvements no longer hold the manufacturing efficiency impact neutral or improve them. The net result is much higher risk levels in manufacturing ramps and long timelines to move products into the customers’ hands. To enjoy the benefits of the bright future of non-volatile memory solutions, we need truly innovative manufacturing solutions. Only higher levels of partnership, across the supply chain, focused on squeezing every benefit out of manufacturing efficiencies will deliver these innovations.
 
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Intel has already created their Optane brand for the product, much like their SSDs. I doubt Intel will sell 3DXP as a component.

Optane will come quickly, as there are already sockets announced. Optane DIMMs will directly attach to Skylake CPUs and Optane NVMe SSDs will dominate NAND based. SATA and SAS are the bottleneck, so don't expect Optane in this space except for an application which is willing to pay a lot for a small performance boost on a low capacity drive. I really am not sure about that last one. It's possible that 3DXP has zero performance benefit on SATA/SAS. Bueller?

Support for 3DXP component sales will depend on the existence of an ecosystem developed around Storage Class Memory for cloudy stuff or mobile processors. Not aware of either of those.
 
msporer said:
Intel has already created their Optane brand for the product, much like their SSDs. I doubt Intel will sell 3DXP as a component.
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Well not unless Apple want to put it in the iPhone 8 :)

But it does make sense to build a vertical integration chain so that more of the value stays with the company.
 
Data center
Database evolution drives SSD growth. 3D Xpoint certainly improves out of memory query a lot. Many codes are in significant challenge to be rewritten. What algorithm do you prefer if your Redis is not as important as before? How much memory is enough for indexing on a 3D Xpoint?
PC
High end gaming will not be affected. Low end power consumption and form factor improvement are not trifle. Damp PC into the water will not destroy 3D Xpoint. Data are safe.
Tablet
Significant power consumption decrease and battery life time increase.
Cell Phone
Maybe still better to put things in memory for the storage device life time concern. So not much impact are expected.
 
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