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2nm Foundry in Japan

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"Japan’s attempt to once again become a major player in the international semiconductor industry took another step forward in Hokkaido on Friday with a groundbreaking ceremony for a factory to be occupied by Rapidus, a government-backed firm that will produce state-of-the-art chips for next-generation industries. Rapidus aims to position itself as a prominent worldwide supplier of cutting-edge 2-nanometer-wide semiconductors for 5G communications, quantum computing, self-driving vehicles and digital smart cities."
 
My guess would be closer to 2030 for HVM and it will not be competitive with the current offerings from Intel, TSMC, and Samsung, my opinion.

Another viewpoint:

 
My guess would be closer to 2030 for HVM and it will not be competitive with the current offerings from Intel, TSMC, and Samsung, my opinion.

Another viewpoint:


Always interesting , some reason many articles imply ground breaking to HVM will be attained inside 1 year or less.
 
My guess would be closer to 2030 for HVM and it will not be competitive with the current offerings from Intel, TSMC, and Samsung, my opinion.

Another viewpoint:


It's estimated that US$35 to $37 billion subsidies/capital is needed for Rapidus to make this project into the real world.

Is it a national research project or a commercial for profit venture?

Just the depreciation alone can cost Rapidus $6 to $8 billion a year if we use a five years depreciation schedule.

If Rapidus and Japanese government are willing to take the potential huge loss to help leading edge fabless companies then there is another problem. None of the top 10 fabless semiconductor companies is a Japanese company. Especially in the commercial leading edge chips industry, they are either the American company or Taiwanese companies.

Why is Rapidus taking Japanese taxpayers' money to subsidize non Japanese fabless companies and possibly incurring huge loss year after year?
 
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My guess would be closer to 2030 for HVM and it will not be competitive with the current offerings from Intel, TSMC, and Samsung, my opinion.

Another viewpoint:

100% agree. There is a lot of work and learning to do after this "We want to be a foundry, we got money, and we are partnering with IBM" phase.
I don't think Apple is saying "lets hold off on this TSMC negotiation... maybe Rapidus is the solution"....
 
It's estimated that US$35 to $37 billion subsidies/capital is needed for Rapidus to make this project into the real world.

Is it a national research project or a commercial for profit venture?

Just the depreciation alone can cost Rapidus $6 to $8 billion a year if we use a five years depreciation schedule.

If Rapidus and Japanese government are willing to take the potential huge loss to help leading edge fabless companies then there is another problem. None of the top 10 fabless semiconductor companies is a Japanese company. Especially in the commercial leading edge chips industry, they are either the American company or Taiwanese companies.

Why is Rapidus taking Japanese taxpayers' money to subsidize non Japanese fabless companies and possibly incurring huge loss year after year?
Money is indeed the key part.

Rapidus was founded with 8 big companies' support, including Toyota, SONY, Kioxia. However, these 8 companies are not stupid. They only gave 7.3 billion yen (about US$ 55 millions) in total which is not even enough for a EUV. Their investment are just symbolic.
So now Japanese' government pay all the rest of bills. The CEO of Rapidus mentioned to use IPO to raise money, but I don't know how to convince people to invest this money hole.
Always interesting , some reason many articles imply ground breaking to HVM will be attained inside 1 year or less.
I heard a lot about their working model and testing run yield. I would say even 2030 is optimistic if they have enough money to burn.
 
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Money is indeed the key part.

Rapidus was founded with 8 big companies' support, including Toyota, SONY, Kioxia. However, these 8 companies are not stupid. They only gave 7.3 billion yen (about US$ 550 millions) in total which is not even enough for a EUV. Their investment are just symbolic.
What EUV tool are you buying?
So now Japanese' government pay all the rest of bills. The CEO of Rapidus mentioned to use IPO to raise money, but I don't know how to convince people to invest this money hole.
Easy, say AI a few times, foundry TAM, IBM technology, and not have the negative name brand that intel and Samsung carry. Softbank will throw billions at you, and if it was in 2021 Wallstreet would have too :ROFLMAO:. In all seriousness though it will be tough. But if they are doing just the one fab with maybe 1-2 phases at the beginning, I guess it isn't too monumental an investment hurdle. I also wouldn't be shocked if the 8 founders pump more money as it is needed and or more likely as progress is made.
 
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