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Poll: Half of Taiwan fears TSMC becoming US-SMC

I think 18A has a decent chance of success in part because the development and ramp are both conducted in the US, with a 1 hour timezone difference half the year, and a 3 hour plane ride separating AZ from OR.

I think TSMC wisely refuses to even try to ramp a new technology first in Arizona. They always ramp in Taiwan, close by the leading fab.

This is to say: Taiwan citizens shouldn't worry until the lead fab is in the US, rather than Taiwan; a seemingly impossible eventually. US will always be N-1 behind Taiwan, or more. The US is a technology colony of Taiwan, even if the orange man gets restless.
 
If they run Nvidia they won’t make 30K, likely not even 25K and more likely less than 20K depending on how much volume as the flow is suboptimal for the scale and EUV in Fab21

Nvidia die (largest monolithic die in the world) consumes wafers so the wafer count is much different than Apple, QCOM, AVGO, Intel. Apple sells more chips though, 5-6X what Nvidia does. Either way TSMC AZ will be over capacity if the "buy USA" trend is real.
 
Intel has pretty big die as well their EMR single die is like 754mm2 Intel 7 monolithic Silicon with 34 Cores Cache and IMC.
GNR is ~600mm2 Intel 3 Silicon as well.
Intel is second only to Nvidia in regards to doing large monolithic die.

True, but Intel also does chiplets. AMD was first to chiplets, do they even do monolithic dies? Maybe for mid range chips? The cloud companies are doing monolithic chips but nothing the size of Nvidia or Intel but they are closing the gap.
 
True, but Intel also does chiplets. AMD was first to chiplets, do they even do monolithic dies?
For mobile yes some SKUs like the AI HX 370(I hate the name so cringe) around 230mm2 on N4P also for chiplet Intel did Mobile CPU and PCH on same package In 2013.
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Experts say the Trump-era push for onshore manufacturing reshaped TSMC’s strategy, while its core R&D and cutting-edge nodes remain in Taiwan.

by Emre Çıtak September 23, 2025 in Tech

A recent poll indicates half of Taiwanese respondents believe Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is becoming a U.S.-focused entity following substantial investments in the United States, a move initiated under pressure from the Trump administration.

Concerns in Taiwan regarding the company’s trajectory have grown since TSMC committed to investments reported to be in the “hundreds of billions” of dollars to establish major operations on U.S. soil. The perception of the company shifting away from its home base was intensified by earlier rumors that the United States government was considering acquiring a stake in TSMC. A poll conducted by the newspaper UDN has now quantified this sentiment, revealing that 50% of the Taiwanese public surveyed is concerned about TSMC evolving into what is being called “TSMC of the United States” or “US-SMC.” The publication noted that some scholars and experts believe this transformation may already be underway, stating that the strategic deployment by the U.S. toward the chipmaker has presented challenges to Taiwan’s domestic semiconductor industry.

Academics have weighed in on the strategic motivations behind the U.S. push. A professor at National Chengchi University, a prominent political science school in Taiwan, stated that the Trump administration’s objective is to have TSMC produce not only cutting-edge nodes but also advanced packaging technologies within the United States. This expert also articulated that TSMC’s presence is a key national asset that significantly elevates Taiwan’s geopolitical importance to the U.S., particularly in the context of evolving relations between Taiwan and China. The professor suggested that without the chip giant’s critical role, Taiwan’s strategic value to the United States would be dramatically reduced. The shift of some operations to the U.S. is seen as part of a larger strategic aspiration beyond immediate geopolitical concerns.

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https://dataconomy.com/2025/09/23/poll-half-of-taiwan-fears-tsmc-becoming-us-smc/

Original source:
2025-09-22 00:00 United Daily News/Reporter Lan Junda/Taipei Report
https://udn.com/news/story/8625/9020144
This article is stupid. There's no fear when TSMC invests in two fabs in China. China constantly threatens to invade Taiwan and annex the island, yet the article is comparing that to TACO's tariff threats?!

Every company reaches a stage where they need to expand globally.

Toyota has a factory in Texas, where's the fear for the Japanese?
Volkswagen also has a factory in the US, where's the fear for the Germans?

Google operates offices and hardware engineering hubs in Taiwan, a f'cking hardware engineering hub! Where's the fear for the Americans?
 
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I think the reason TSMC started expanding globally was because of Taiwan's limited land area, water resources, and electricity.
Even if we ignore political ties, I think they would have expanded overseas in various ways.
Do not forget people! I saw some interview with one of the TSMC top people, who had returned back to academia in Taiwan after his retirement at TSMC a few years ago, if I remember well. In that interview he mentioned also that TSMC was running into the problem of finding enough good people on Taiwan, both in R&D and running Fabs.

So, moving off the rather small island of Taiwan and it's finite capacity with resources, also people, will open up many opportunities for TSMC I believe. Especially also regarding enlarging their pool of good people to work at their company. Perhaps TSMC should/could start recruiting in India, and perhaps in 10 years or so, they can start some (Giga-like)-Fab site somewhere in India, with all those people from India that would like to return to India and help their country entering more seriously the Semi Fab industrial capacity? India would love to have more access to and playing a larger role in the "oil of the 21st century", we are just 25% into this century, so lot's of stuff will happen the coming decades, also because of geopolical shifts..........
 
Do not forget people! I saw some interview with one of the TSMC top people, who had returned back to academia in Taiwan after his retirement at TSMC a few years ago, if I remember well. In that interview he mentioned also that TSMC was running into the problem of finding enough good people on Taiwan, both in R&D and running Fabs.

So, moving off the rather small island of Taiwan and it's finite capacity with resources, also people, will open up many opportunities for TSMC I believe. Especially also regarding enlarging their pool of good people to work at their company. Perhaps TSMC should/could start recruiting in India, and perhaps in 10 years or so, they can start some (Giga-like)-Fab site somewhere in India, with all those people from India that would like to return to India and help their country entering more seriously the Semi Fab industrial capacity? India would love to have more access to and playing a larger role in the "oil of the 21st century", we are just 25% into this century, so lot's of stuff will happen the coming decades, also because of geopolical shifts..........
India has fare share of problems tbh and the most India is doing is assembly
 
India has fare share of problems tbh and the most India is doing is assembly
Perhaps the US has also their own fare share of problems, some call the situation in the US internally a hybrid civil war of novel proportions...........

Be careful to underestimate the brigthness of India's people (ask your top US boards why they appointed some of those CEO's from India, Microsoft. Google), and India is the largest nation on earth, peoplewise.........
https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/population-by-country.htm

Your comment sounds somewhat like INTEL's management (for too long) about their leadership status in SEMI, and how "backward" others were.........Never a good sign when someone starts talking demeaning about others, especially potential competitors......
 
Perhaps the US has also their own fare share of problems, some call the situation in the US internally a hybrid civil war of novel proportions...........

Be careful to underestimate the brigthness of India's people (ask your top US boards why they appointed some of those CEO's from India, Microsoft. Google), and India is the largest nation on earth, peoplewise.........
https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/population-by-country.htm

Your comment sounds somewhat like INTEL's management (for too long) about their leadership status in SEMI, and how "backward" others were.........Never a good sign when someone starts talking demeaning about others, especially potential competitors......
I was not talking about talent problems but more about the corruption and QoL.
 
Do not forget people! I saw some interview with one of the TSMC top people, who had returned back to academia in Taiwan after his retirement at TSMC a few years ago, if I remember well. In that interview he mentioned also that TSMC was running into the problem of finding enough good people on Taiwan, both in R&D and running Fabs.

So, moving off the rather small island of Taiwan and it's finite capacity with resources, also people, will open up many opportunities for TSMC I believe. Especially also regarding enlarging their pool of good people to work at their company. Perhaps TSMC should/could start recruiting in India, and perhaps in 10 years or so, they can start some (Giga-like)-Fab site somewhere in India, with all those people from India that would like to return to India and help their country entering more seriously the Semi Fab industrial capacity? India would love to have more access to and playing a larger role in the "oil of the 21st century", we are just 25% into this century, so lot's of stuff will happen the coming decades, also because of geopolical shifts..........
There are fundamental infrastructure like land. One needs thousands of acres for a giga fab, good solid infrastructure ( power, water, roads, etc. ). You need a location that supports the infrastructure ecosystem like air, transportation of chemicals etc.... Of course there is labor both skilled for running the fab and skilled to build the place. For the China and Japan fab's you generally don't hear the bad press of Fab21's recent issues.

People willing to do manufacturing, repeated detailed oriented hard work for long hours. This is both building the fabs as well as working! Taiwan is a small Island and running out of all of the listed. The cost and resources are still better than than any Western Country but politics and supply chain is slowing changing that.

I bet if there was no COVID nor onshoring I doubt the US or German fab every happened. If there was a different leader in China and they had taken a slight different trajectory likely all of TSMC's expansion would have gone to the mainland.

No reason to expect the German or US fab to every match the cost and efficiency of the Taiwan or Asian fabs in general. Sounds racist but Western Culture whether you are Asian, Indian or European isn't one that likes manufacturing.
 
yes not to mention as BruceA said the infrastructure is not there and Goverment does a poor job of planning many stuff.

In which galaxy is this other (parallel) planet earth, any idea?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/27/trump-flaunting-corruption

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Donald Trump speaks outside the White House on Friday.
Photograph: Julia Demaree Nikhinson/AP

Trump is flaunting his corruption. Is it changing what the US thinks of scandal?

As the Watergate scandal unfolded, new editions of the Washington Post newspaper were rushed over to the White House at night so Richard Nixon, the president, could brace for each devastating revelation.

Half a century later, Donald Trump does not seem to fear explosive front page headlines or shocking disclosures of malfeasance. Usually because he has written them himself.

The US president’s determination to break from his predecessors includes a willingness to shout from the rooftops of misconduct past presidents would have strained every sinew to conceal.

And the consequence, observers say, is that Trump’s brazen approach earns him perverse credit for authenticity and takes the sting out of scandals that used to be career-ending when uncovered by muckraking journalists.


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This is a dangerous notion that, just because a president chooses to be corrupt in public openly, it’s OK,” said Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. “People say, well, if it were really corrupt, it would be hidden. It’s a false assumption, but many people have it. It’s a new theory of scandal.

Trump delivered one of his most blatant examples last weekend. In a social media post addressed directly to Pam Bondi, the attorney general, the president fumed over the lack of legal action against James Comey, the former FBI director, Adam Schiff, the California senator, and Letitia James, the New York attorney general.

“We can’t delay any longer, it’s killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice, and indicted me (5 times!), OVER NOTHING. JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED, NOW,” he wrote, before deleting the message and posting another supportive of Bondi.

It was a glaringly obvious effort to order the justice department to take action against his political opponents. On Thursday the agency followed through by charging Comey with false statements and obstruction over congressional testimony about the investigation into contacts between Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russia.

Democrats described it as “a disgraceful attack on the rule of law”, the latest in a series of moves that have threatened the justice department’s traditional independence. But Republicans, who five decades ago forced Nixon to resign over the Watergate burglary and ensuing cover-up, were mostly silent. There was no hint of impeaching Trump over what many saw as an impeachable offence.

Richard Painter, a former chief White House ethics lawyer, said: “It’s what prosecutors do in dictatorships. They want to run up this Comey thing that has no merit to it. That’s what they do in Russia. You piss off Putin and end up in some gulag somewhere. That’s not, I thought, how we want to run our country.”

It’s what prosecutors do in dictatorships. They want to run up this Comey thing that has no merit to it. That’s what they do in Russia.
Richard Painter

If Trump’s shamelessness is one superpower, his ability to flood the zone is another. He has spent the past decade proving the thesis that while one crisis can topple a politician, a hundred crises are subject to the law of diminishing returns. “It’s Watergate, Every Day,” read a headline on the Bulwark website this week.

In a 2005 conversation captured on an Access Hollywood tape released in 2016, he described his approach to women: “I just start kissing them ... And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab ‘em by the pussy.”

He has urged foreign governments to investigate political opponents. During a 2016 campaign rally, Trump said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” referring to rival Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails. In 2019 he publicly called on China to target Joe Biden, saying: “China should start an investigation into the Bidens.”

In a 2017 NBC News interview, Trump openly stated that he fired Comey because of “this Russia thing”, referring to an investigation into Russian election interference. This admission was cited in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report as potential evidence of obstruction of justice, yet Trump framed it as a decisive action rather than wrongdoing.

Trump expressed no contrition over the deadly insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January 2021 but rather persisted with his false claim of a stolen election, hailed the rioters as patriots and issued a blanket pardon of them on his first day back in office.

In May this year, the president said he will accept a $400m luxury plane from Qatar and use it as Air Force One, defending the arrangement as a “gesture of good faith” despite concerns that it could violate the US constitution’s emoluments clause. The Trump Organization, run by the president’s two oldest sons, struck a series of lucrative deals in the Middle East.

It becomes background noise ... What’s Trump done today? Then you shrug your shoulders and have your third cup of coffee
Larry Sabato
The breaches have come so thick and fast that they have become unremarkable to a numbed, desensitised audience. Sabato commented: “It becomes background noise. If there’s bad news about a particular person or category of public policy then it’s less significant because you expect it. What’s Trump done today? Then you shrug your shoulders and have your third cup of coffee.”

Kurt Bardella, a political commentator, agrees that “Trump being Trump” no longer has shock value, especially since he previewed many of his actions during the election campaign. “It’s normalised versus when someone acts completely out of character: ‘Whoa, where did that come from? I never would have expected that person to act this way.’”

The lightning-paced news cycle makes it easy for Trump to move on from the scandal du jour, Bardella adds. “Watergate was so powerful, [Monica] Lewinsky was so powerful because it was a singular focus for an extended period of time. Now we consider a long news cycle something that lasts actually an entire week, whereas before a week was a blip on the radar.”

Even so, Trump has faced a barrage of lawsuits, ethical complaints and demands for investigations. But Republicans control both chambers of Congress and have shown little appetite for imposing accountability. He has spent a decade purging critics from the party and reshaping it in his own image.

Wendy Schiller, a political science professor at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, said: “The institutional structures that should be countervailing, that should be pushing up against this and saying: ‘Oh, this is terrible, he’s breaking the law’, are completely absent. They’ve been co-opted or taken over by the Republican party or the conservative supreme court.

“There isn’t a counter voice to say to the American people this is not acceptable behaviour. I don’t think Trump gets credit for flooding the zone or that his strategy is particularly remarkable. It’s that he has neutered the Congress and bought off the supreme court. There isn’t anybody, literally, who can stop him.”

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Pam Bondi, the attorney general. Photograph: Alex Brandon/AP

Trump’s boasting about conduct that others would hide also strikes a particular chord with his Make America great again (Maga) support base. In an October 2016 presidential debate, when Hillary Clinton accused him of avoiding taxes for years, Trump responded defiantly: “That makes me smart.”

In a subsequent episode of Saturday Night Live, the comedian Dave Chappelle argued that such moments humanised Trump: his blunt admission of gaming a rigged system made him relatable, not elitist. Chappelle said: “The reason he’s loved is because people in Ohio have never seen somebody like him. He’s what I call an honest liar.”

Years later, that still holds with the Maga faithful. John Zogby, an author and pollster, observed: “For voters who want to rage against the machine, instead of being elected president and head of the machine, he’s the guy who feels he’s been put in place to both enforce and live the rage against the machine.

“The very fact that he breaks all the rules so brazenly – takes foreign trips and makes personal business deals – adds to the appeal. He’s the baddest cowboy in town. He does and says what a lot of people wish that they could do and say and he gets away with it. With Donald Trump, the one piece of authenticity is he is exactly what he says he is.”
 
moving off the rather small island of Taiwan and it's finite capacity with resources, also people, will open up many opportunities for TSMC I

"moving" or "expanding"?

. Perhaps TSMC should/could start recruiting in India, and perhaps in 10 years or so, they can start some (Giga-like)-Fab site somewhere in India, with all those people from India that would like to return to India and help their country entering more seriously the Semi Fab industrial capacity?

TSMC already started recruiting talents directly from India many years ago, at least since 2011.
 
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