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Poll: Half of Taiwan fears TSMC becoming US-SMC

I think 18A has a decent chance of success in part because the development and ramp are both conducted in the US, with a 1 hour timezone difference half the year, and a 3 hour plane ride separating AZ from OR.

I think TSMC wisely refuses to even try to ramp a new technology first in Arizona. They always ramp in Taiwan, close by the leading fab.

This is to say: Taiwan citizens shouldn't worry until the lead fab is in the US, rather than Taiwan; a seemingly impossible eventually. US will always be N-1 behind Taiwan, or more. The US is a technology colony of Taiwan, even if the orange man gets restless.
 
If they run Nvidia they won’t make 30K, likely not even 25K and more likely less than 20K depending on how much volume as the flow is suboptimal for the scale and EUV in Fab21

Nvidia die (largest monolithic die in the world) consumes wafers so the wafer count is much different than Apple, QCOM, AVGO, Intel. Apple sells more chips though, 5-6X what Nvidia does. Either way TSMC AZ will be over capacity if the "buy USA" trend is real.
 
Intel has pretty big die as well their EMR single die is like 754mm2 Intel 7 monolithic Silicon with 34 Cores Cache and IMC.
GNR is ~600mm2 Intel 3 Silicon as well.
Intel is second only to Nvidia in regards to doing large monolithic die.

True, but Intel also does chiplets. AMD was first to chiplets, do they even do monolithic dies? Maybe for mid range chips? The cloud companies are doing monolithic chips but nothing the size of Nvidia or Intel but they are closing the gap.
 
True, but Intel also does chiplets. AMD was first to chiplets, do they even do monolithic dies?
For mobile yes some SKUs like the AI HX 370(I hate the name so cringe) around 230mm2 on N4P also for chiplet Intel did Mobile CPU and PCH on same package In 2013.
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Experts say the Trump-era push for onshore manufacturing reshaped TSMC’s strategy, while its core R&D and cutting-edge nodes remain in Taiwan.

by Emre Çıtak September 23, 2025 in Tech

A recent poll indicates half of Taiwanese respondents believe Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is becoming a U.S.-focused entity following substantial investments in the United States, a move initiated under pressure from the Trump administration.

Concerns in Taiwan regarding the company’s trajectory have grown since TSMC committed to investments reported to be in the “hundreds of billions” of dollars to establish major operations on U.S. soil. The perception of the company shifting away from its home base was intensified by earlier rumors that the United States government was considering acquiring a stake in TSMC. A poll conducted by the newspaper UDN has now quantified this sentiment, revealing that 50% of the Taiwanese public surveyed is concerned about TSMC evolving into what is being called “TSMC of the United States” or “US-SMC.” The publication noted that some scholars and experts believe this transformation may already be underway, stating that the strategic deployment by the U.S. toward the chipmaker has presented challenges to Taiwan’s domestic semiconductor industry.

Academics have weighed in on the strategic motivations behind the U.S. push. A professor at National Chengchi University, a prominent political science school in Taiwan, stated that the Trump administration’s objective is to have TSMC produce not only cutting-edge nodes but also advanced packaging technologies within the United States. This expert also articulated that TSMC’s presence is a key national asset that significantly elevates Taiwan’s geopolitical importance to the U.S., particularly in the context of evolving relations between Taiwan and China. The professor suggested that without the chip giant’s critical role, Taiwan’s strategic value to the United States would be dramatically reduced. The shift of some operations to the U.S. is seen as part of a larger strategic aspiration beyond immediate geopolitical concerns.

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https://dataconomy.com/2025/09/23/poll-half-of-taiwan-fears-tsmc-becoming-us-smc/

Original source:
2025-09-22 00:00 United Daily News/Reporter Lan Junda/Taipei Report
https://udn.com/news/story/8625/9020144
This article is stupid. There's no fear when TSMC invests in two fabs in China. China constantly threatens to invade Taiwan and annex the island, yet the article is comparing that to TACO's tariff threats?!

Every company reaches a stage where they need to expand globally.

Toyota has a factory in Texas, where's the fear for the Japanese?
Volkswagen also has a factory in the US, where's the fear for the Germans?

Google operates offices and hardware engineering hubs in Taiwan, a f'cking hardware engineering hub! Where's the fear for the Americans?
 
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