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NVIDIA Reportedly in Talk with Samsung for Potential GPU Orders amid Rumored Tensions with TSMC

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Would Samsung finally be able to secure major orders from tech giants, even one of the world’s top AI companies? According to a report by The Information, the most successful and lucrative partnership in AI business, which is formed by NVIDIA and its foundry partner TSMC, is showing signs of strain, while Samsung may turn out to benefit from the development.

However, it is worth noting that the orders Samsung might get from NVIDIA may not be the most advanced AI chips. According to the reports by The Information and SamMobile, the U.S. AI chip giant is mulling to team up with Samsung to produce its new GPUs, which are considered less complex to manufacture than its AI accelerators.

The reports also suggest that NVIDIA is trying to secure discounted pricing from Samsung, as it aims for a 20-30% reduction compared to what it pays TSMC.

According to the analysis by SamMobile, NVIDIA’s move is an attempt to reduce its dependence on TSMC for upcoming chips, which is a positive development for Samsung.

Though the struggling semiconductor giant is said to have several clients for 5nm, 7nm and 8nm nodes, the continuous yield issues for 3nm and 4nm makes it unable to attract major customers, according to SamMobile, while the company now hopes to improve its yields and regain clients like Qualcomm and NVIDIA.

According to The Information, Samsung’s opportunities arise while NVIDIA’s Blackwell chips, built with TSMC’s 4nm, reportedly faced delays due to issues discovered in the testing process. The chips are said to have failed in high-voltage environments typical of data centers, which put strain on the decades-long partnership between the two firms.

For now, the issues have been resolved, and Team Green’s Blackwell chips are expected to ramp up starting from Q4 2024. According to a report by Wccftech, citing the projection by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Blackwell’s estimated shipments are expected to be around 150,000 to 200,000 units this quarter, and surging to 500,000 to 550,000 units in Q1 2025.

According to Kuo, Microsoft is believed to be the major customer, with its orders for GB200 in Q4 skyrocketing, rising 3 to 4 times from the previous range of 300 to 500 racks (primarily NVL36) to about 1,400 to 1,500 racks (approximately 70% NVL72).

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These rumors are false. Samsung does not have a competitive 3nm/2nm process nor does it have the proper ecosystem. Intel 18A has a much better chance for the NOT TSMC business than Samsung. That is what I am hearing inside the ecosystem.

Samsung Foundry has burned many bridges with the leading edge customers which includes Qualcomm and Nvidia. Now that they are flying first class with TSMC I do not see them going back to Samsung. A good example is AMD. AMD used GlobalFoundries 14nm which was sourced from Samsung and from what I understand Samsung handled overflow business for AMD. Yet AMD has not engaged with Samsung since moving to TSMC in 2018. It really is all about trust to deliver the wafer on time and at respectable yields. Both of which Samsung has failed at with 5/4nm, and 3/2nm. I also know that the relationship between GF and Samsung for the 14nm process was not shall we say smooth which negatively affected AMD.

As it stands today I know of ZERO customers outside of Korea using Samsung 3/2nm. If I am wrong let me know because I do keep track of design starts. Keeping track of 3nm design starts turned out to be pretty easy since they were all at TSMC. :LOL:
 
Samsung seem to have bagged the 5nm IBM Telum II mainframe processor.

That should be a fairly complex chip. But yeah nothing on 3nm or lower.

True. IBM has been making chips at Samsung for a long time. I believe they have long term partnership of some sort. Since IBM is not leading edge it has not been a problem. I have not heard about IBM doing a Samsung 3nm design as of yet but I'm sure they will. Maybe they will use 2nm. Complex but not high volume.
 
Whenever you see a source with samsung somewhere in the title you can assume its bunk. The rumours coming our of korea are especially worthless imo
 
As it stands today I know of ZERO customers outside of Korea using Samsung 3/2nm. If I am wrong let me know because I do keep track of design starts. Keeping track of 3nm design starts turned out to be pretty easy since they were all at TSMC. :LOL:
Daniel,

Ambarella (CEO Fermi Wang has previously gone out of his way to trumpet Samsung Foundry being the best) appears to be a Samsung 2nm customer
 
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