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Intel shuts down Granulate less than three years after $650M acquisition

Just like what I said in the past, Intel should upgraded its smart capital strategy. No more fab shell buildout; outsource that to Samsung. Outsource to Asia, There're plenty of countries beside China, and Taiwan that are willing to do fab business. Like Japan.

Intel shall also never ever pursue acquisition. Every deal they go for have failed miserably.

Intel traditionally avoids to build a fab in East Asia, except mainland China, for the reasons I can only guess. Having such robust semiconductor ecosystem and talents in Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, Intel chose to ignore them and avoid them.

If Intel doesn't like South Korea and Taiwan, it can build a fab in Japan and receive subsidy for about 50% of the fab cost. Micron, Texas Instrument, Tower, Skyworks, ON Semi, TSMC, and UMC plus many Japanese semiconductor companies are all there.
 
I've talked to a few people who have worked with Naga at Micron. They have generally had a good impression of him. Hopefully, Intel will give him free rein to do what he needs to do. If anyone should be able to drive cost efficiency it should be some who has worked in the memory industry.
 
Intel traditionally avoids to build a fab in East Asia, except mainland China, for the reasons I can only guess. Having such robust semiconductor ecosystem and talents in Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, Intel chose to ignore them and avoid them.

If Intel doesn't like South Korea and Taiwan, it can build a fab in Japan and receive subsidy for about 50% of the fab cost. Micron, Texas Instrument, Tower, Skyworks, ON Semi, TSMC, and UMC plus many Japanese semiconductor companies are all there.
It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it is about geography. The goal is to move some amount of leading edge semiconductor manufacturing back to the western hemisphere. That would be the Americas and Western Europe. It really isn't just about fab capacity, it is about distributing leading edge manufacturing more evenly around the globe to ensure no single event can disrupt the worlds supply of the most advanced semiconductors.

Or at least that is what it should be about. This is clearly what Intel is trying to do, but I'm fairly certain the motivation is that filling this need gives Intel a way to regain relevance.
 
It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it is about geography. The goal is to move some amount of leading edge semiconductor manufacturing back to the western hemisphere. That would be the Americas and Western Europe. It really isn't just about fab capacity, it is about distributing leading edge manufacturing more evenly around the globe to ensure no single event can disrupt the worlds supply of the most advanced semiconductors.

Or at least that is what it should be about. This is clearly what Intel is trying to do, but I'm fairly certain the motivation is that filling this need gives Intel a way to regain relevance.


Intel has leading edge fabs in Ireland, an EU member, already. Why did Intel choose Germany, an EU member, to build another leading edge fab again?

Why can't Intel choose Japan to diversify its supply chain? Remember Intel has zero number of fab in East Asia, or anywhere in Asia if we don't include Israel. While East Asia has the biggest semiconductor clusters and ecosystem, Intel has no fab there at all.

I believe avoiding East Asia is one of reasons why Intel is having trouble today. Intel lost its visibility to understand the robust and vibrant ecosystem there.
 
It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it is about geography. The goal is to move some amount of leading edge semiconductor manufacturing back to the western hemisphere. That would be the Americas and Western Europe. It really isn't just about fab capacity, it is about distributing leading edge manufacturing more evenly around the globe to ensure no single event can disrupt the worlds supply of the most advanced semiconductors.

Or at least that is what it should be about. This is clearly what Intel is trying to do, but I'm fairly certain the motivation is that filling this need gives Intel a way to regain relevance.
It seems to me to be a very insightful and thought provoking comment and best read as a backward looking comment and nothing to do with today's issues (Taiwan/China or the CHIPS Act).

The question is why Intel chose never to build a fab in East Asia at any time in its history. We know that other US companies did - TI certainly had several in Japan. And whether there was a significant opportunity cost - perhaps in exposure to other methods and practices - from not doing so.

It seems probable that the reasons are cultural or due to management biases rather than geographic. Intel's certainly no slouch at extracting local subsidies for building fabs, so lack of local support/subsidies seems unlikely to be the reason.
 
It seems to me to be a very insightful and thought provoking comment and best read as a backward looking comment and nothing to do with today's issues (Taiwan/China or the CHIPS Act).

The question is why Intel chose never to build a fab in East Asia at any time in its history. We know that other US companies did - TI certainly had several in Japan. And whether there was a significant opportunity cost - perhaps in exposure to other methods and practices - from not doing so.

It seems probable that the reasons are cultural or due to management biases rather than geographic. Intel's certainly no slouch at extracting local subsidies for building fabs, so lack of local support/subsidies seems unlikely to be the reason.

IBM, a company that hasn’t operated or owned a commercial fab since 2015, joined the Japanese Rapidus project to develop and produce 2nm chips. I think IBM will make a lot of money from consulting and licensing fees regardless of the final outcome.

Why not Intel? IBM hasn’t produced a leading-edge chip in-house for many years. Shouldn’t Intel have more credibility than IBM to be Rapidus’s partner?
 
It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it is about geography. The goal is to move some amount of leading edge semiconductor manufacturing back to the western hemisphere. That would be the Americas and Western Europe. It really isn't just about fab capacity, it is about distributing leading edge manufacturing more evenly around the globe to ensure no single event can disrupt the worlds supply of the most advanced semiconductors.

Or at least that is what it should be about. This is clearly what Intel is trying to do, but I'm fairly certain the motivation is that filling this need gives Intel a way to regain relevance.
I was thinking about the same thing two years ago. But now, the government should spend money along with private investment.

If US government want job creation here and more balanced supply chain, then they need to be the lead investor. i F**KING hate what people called free bailout when it's other way around. Intel and TSMC is bailing out US government for lack of government support and lack of industrial policy. It is truly a shame!
 
Intel has leading edge fabs in Ireland, an EU member, already. Why did Intel choose Germany, an EU member, to build another leading edge fab again?

Why can't Intel choose Japan to diversify its supply chain? Remember Intel has zero number of fab in East Asia, or anywhere in Asia if we don't include Israel. While East Asia has the biggest semiconductor clusters and ecosystem, Intel has no fab there at all.

I believe avoiding East Asia is one of reasons why Intel is having trouble today. Intel lost its visibility to understand the robust and vibrant ecosystem there.
The intention originally was good, and I believed that the western governments should have every reason to do so. But the bureaucracy is not something that these companies can play with. I heard from a rumors on X that Pelosi was literally holding the CHIPS ACT for almost a year, adding thousands more requirement to it. And then send that over to Joe.

That is pathetic!

https://www.fabricatedknowledge.com/p/history-lesson-the-1980s-semiconductor
From “The Intel Trinity” and

Meanwhile, Japan’s Ministry of International Trade and Industry, in concert with Japan’s major banks (an arrangement illegal in the United States) helped the Japanese electronics companies embark on a massive program of tracking US patent filings in order to anticipate where they were going and beat them to the punch. The ministry provided subsidies (illegal under international law) to help Japanese companies sell their chips at artificially low prices in the United States while keeping prices high at home. In 1978, forty thousand Japanese citizens made technology-related visits, many of them subsidized, to the United States, while just five thousand American businesspeople traveled the other way.
Malone, Michael S.. Intel Trinity, The (p. 307). Harper Business. Kindle Edition.

Further, Japan had access to capital markets explicitly from the conglomerates and governments (VLSI) that US companies did not. That echoes today’s environment partially.

Japanese firms probably had easier access to capital: they are often affiliated with a large bank that could play a role in corporate governance through equity ownership (the Glass-Steagall Act prohibits such activities in the United States). Such bank ties probably allowed Japanese producers to weather industry downturns much better than their U.S. counterparts.* On the U.S. side, the high cost of capital in the early 1980s, the appreciation of the U.S. dollar, lagging adoption of new process technology, and quality control problems all hampered U.S. firms.

Tensions were high, and the SIA and AEA, led by Robert Noyce pushed congress to try to stop Japan from dumping semiconductors on American markets. American companies could not compete on the relative access to capital combined with the dumping going on.

Prices collapsed as Japanese firms flooded the domestic and international markets, and memory prices contracted 60% in a year bankrupting and pushing everyone except Micron and Texas Instruments out of the memory business. Micron lead the charge with the anti-dumping complaints against Japanese firms, and National Semiconductor, Intel, and AMD followed suit.

Part of the problem was Japanese firm’s primary demand was domestic, and the self-consumption and attitude of “Buy Japan” attitudes created domestic profit pools, while Japan in turn was cut off to United States producers. The US industry could never find a smoking gun of anti-competitive action, but the entire situation was detrimental to both sides of the market.

This all cumulated in the Semiconductor trade agreement of 1986, in particular, the encouragement of American companies to be able to sell meaningfully into Japanese markets. This essentially encouraged a 20% market share in Japan for US firms, while limiting dumping from Japanese companies. This massively benefited the two remaining US firms in the DRAM market, Texas Instruments and Micron in the latter half of the 1980s.

The reality is that the government helped partially, opening the Japanese market and slowing the price race to the bottom, but additionally yield meaningfully improved by the end of the decade for most US companies. In a mix of both the businesses adapting to crisis and incrementally better regulation - the semiconductor companies of the US improved and adapted. This was the birth of “copy exact” at Intel for example.

This crisis would eventually pass and times would be plenty again. Intel’s 1988 results are indicative of what plenty looks like.


They can, but here is the thing. In 1980, when Japan killed Intel memory business, Pat was there. I don't know if he ever trust Japan. Logic is not commodity, but it will be if it's like what Nvidia today. Software matters more than the silicon. And that's a good lesson to be taught by Nvidia today.
 
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It seems to me to be a very insightful and thought provoking comment and best read as a backward looking comment and nothing to do with today's issues (Taiwan/China or the CHIPS Act).

The question is why Intel chose never to build a fab in East Asia at any time in its history. We know that other US companies did - TI certainly had several in Japan. And whether there was a significant opportunity cost - perhaps in exposure to other methods and practices - from not doing so.

It seems probable that the reasons are cultural or due to management biases rather than geographic. Intel's certainly no slouch at extracting local subsidies for building fabs, so lack of local support/subsidies seems unlikely to be the reason.
The other reason I can think of is that each region/place have its national/regional champion. China with SMIC and Huawei, Japan with Rapidus, Korea with Samsung, Taiwan with TSMC, All four of them are getting huge subsidies and preferential treatment. That isn't the case with Intel. We know investing in US cost a ton more compared to other countries. But so does the level of support. I thought that Intel will be getting vast majority of CHIPS act funding, but if you count. Intel get 40%, Samsung and TSM each received 30%, what Intel received certainly isn't worth what they are investing.

At the time of funding, TSMC only have two fab in construction/planned. Later on there's third fab, I assume that there's pressure from the government pressuring them to do so, also threat from Intel.

It seems to me at the beginning that Pat on multiple occasion claims that Intel should be getting more subsidy, and they should because US need to elect its domestic foundry, And being a national champion have many requirement. All four of them have their R&D to be done in their domestic region, encouraging more investments from downstream and upstream, the suppliers and electronics company. If US doesn't have one that can not only lead the R&D, wafers, and packaging. Then that country will lose manufacturing to other country over time. If there's no national champion, then it will not be able to attract a whole ecosystem of suppliers. And I think US government is doing terrible in this regard.

Four years have passed, there's still no visible national champion. When talking about Intel, it's like duh. Nobody really taking them serious because the government support is just weak.
 
It seems to me to be a very insightful and thought provoking comment and best read as a backward looking comment and nothing to do with today's issues (Taiwan/China or the CHIPS Act).

The question is why Intel chose never to build a fab in East Asia at any time in its history. We know that other US companies did - TI certainly had several in Japan. And whether there was a significant opportunity cost - perhaps in exposure to other methods and practices - from not doing so.

It seems probable that the reasons are cultural or due to management biases rather than geographic. Intel's certainly no slouch at extracting local subsidies for building fabs, so lack of local support/subsidies seems unlikely to be the reason.

I am assuming the Singapore Govt ran out of "Semicon Money" after subsidising some recent build outs.

In the past when Chartered Semi/GF were considered the home team , maybe the Govt have some agreement with GF to not allow them in otherwise they may take all their workers.
 
The other reason I can think of is that each region/place have its national/regional champion. China with SMIC and Huawei, Japan with Rapidus, Korea with Samsung, Taiwan with TSMC, All four of them are getting huge subsidies and preferential treatment. That isn't the case with Intel. We know investing in US cost a ton more compared to other countries. But so does the level of support. I thought that Intel will be getting vast majority of CHIPS act funding, but if you count. Intel get 40%, Samsung and TSM each received 30%, what Intel received certainly isn't worth what they are investing.
I agree with you this is fab competition is a bit unfair for Intel No money from any government no support either like Taiwan provides for TSMC or SK for Korea basically they are in the worst possible state and US is just making matter worse for them. US will need to take a huge L if Intel doesn't succeed cause they don't have domestic options
 
Unfortunately, the lack of technical and industry expertise is endemic to almost all large US corporate BoDs. Take, for example, Nvidia's BoD. Arguably one of the most successful US semiconductor companies ever, and yet, take a look at the BoD:


A former Taco Bell executive?

A former chief marketing officer for the National Football League?

A former CIO for Eli Lilly?

Two college professors and a bunch of VCs.

Seriously?
Eli Lilly can use AI to make new drugs. Taco Bell, seriously? How is AI related to Taco Bell?
 
Eli Lilly can use AI to make new drugs. Taco Bell, seriously? How is AI related to Taco Bell?
Nvidia's BoD does seem illogical. I don't think any of their board members were chosen for their expertise, even the professors. As for Lilly using AI, a CIO probably wouldn't know much about it. CIOs manage deployment, they don't manage application development.
 
Nvidia's BoD does seem illogical. I don't think any of their board members were chosen for their expertise, even the professors. As for Lilly using AI, a CIO probably wouldn't know much about it. CIOs manage deployment, they don't manage application development.
AMD’s board seems stronger based on their credentials.
 
Nvidia's BoD does seem illogical. I don't think any of their board members were chosen for their expertise, even the professors. As for Lilly using AI, a CIO probably wouldn't know much about it. CIOs manage deployment, they don't manage application development.
It's super interesting though. You'd never be able to tell what kind of company NVIDIA is by looking at it's BoD. Maybe there's something to be said about the diversity of NVIDIA's BoD to how well they've has been able to pivot through the years.
 
It's super interesting though. You'd never be able to tell what kind of company NVIDIA is by looking at it's BoD. Maybe there's something to be said about the diversity of NVIDIA's BoD to how well they've has been able to pivot through the years.
Frankly, I look at Nvidia's BoD and wonder why it bothers to exist.
 
I think 18A is a great achievement and bringing design back in house and away from TSMC is the right thing to do. I also think keeping Intel design and manufacturing together is the right thing to do. Two wins for Pat!

The only mistake Pat has made with the foundry business is to set expectations too high and I think Pat has learned his lesson. The executive staff running the foundry group knows what they are doing. They just need the time and space to do it. My opinion.
Perhaps we should wait to see what actually happens with 18A and Foundry before saying what has been achieved.

18A will lead to increase losses as it ramps up in 2025 (per CFO)..... will it lead to foundry customers? lets see. Will foundry lose money or make money for Intel?
what If intel 18A costs are >50% higher than TSMC N2 Costs with a plan to match TSMC in a few years? Is that an achievement? (just hypothetically LOL).
 
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