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Fatal violence incident at Intel Arizona site

Fred Chen said:
www.nbcnews.com

Man charged in killing at Arizona Intel facility allegedly beat co-worker with a bat

Derrick Lemond Simmons, 50, was booked into jail after one co-worker was killed with a bat, hatchet and knife, and another was injured, according to police documents.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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I would be interested in hearing what US politicians have to say about the rate of violence in the United States versus the rest of the world. I'm sure there are studies that prove me wrong but I feel that the US is less safe now than ever before in my lifetime (I'm sixty two and a half years old). Is that even a consideration when "bringing manufacturing back to the good old USA"? Is the US really safer than Taiwan or Japan or the EU?
 
Daniel Nenni said:
I would be interested in hearing what US politicians have to say about the rate of violence in the United States versus the rest of the world. I'm sure there are studies that prove me wrong but I feel that the US is less safe now than ever before in my lifetime (I'm sixty two and a half years old). Is that even a consideration when "bringing manufacturing back to the good old USA"? Is the US really safer than Taiwan or Japan or the EU?
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This is going off of memory of things I've heard so take this with a MASSIVE grain of salt. But I've heard that the USA today is safer per capita than it was in say the 60s. Presumably mass media and the internet make things look worse, and it feels like the cities have gotten much worse with how rich/well armed American gangs have gotten in the past few decades.
 
nghanayem said:
This is going off of memory of things I've heard so take this with a MASSIVE grain of salt. But I've heard that the USA today is safer per capita than it was in say the 60s. Presumably mass media and the internet make things look worse, and it feels like the cities have gotten much worse with how rich/well armed American gangs have gotten in the past few decades.
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I can say that we did not lock our doors in the 60's and 70's. When I was a kid my brothers and I were called "latchkey kids" since both our parents worked. We did have a dog for security. If you got near him you would get slobbered on. Today we lock, have an alarm system with video and never let our kids/grandkids out of our sight. So maybe that is why we are considered safer.
 
Ngahanayem is mostly correct about the stats, and the media. Violence is MUCH less now than in the Reagan years, for example.

www.statista.com

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019| Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

50 years ago everyone got their news from the local paper, and local news was the front page. If you lived in LA then a murder in Chicago was not news unless it was exceptional. But now news is national, and both network and internet will feed you endless repeats of crimes from everywhere in the USA. So while crime in the 1980s, per capita, was 50% above today, your awareness of it is probably 10x exagerated compared to then. Which explains why you lock your doors now, while the similar violence rates in the 60s did not scare us so much.
 
Tanj said:
Ngahanayem is mostly correct about the stats, and the media. Violence is MUCH less now than in the Reagan years, for example.

www.statista.com

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019| Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

50 years ago everyone got their news from the local paper, and local news was the front page. If you lived in LA then a murder in Chicago was not news unless it was exceptional. But now news is national, and both network and internet will feed you endless repeats of crimes from everywhere in the USA. So while crime in the 1980s, per capita, was 50% above today, your awareness of it is probably 10x exagerated compared to then. Which explains why you lock your doors now, while the similar violence rates in the 60s did not scare us so much.
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Yes, 50 years ago but not 10 years (smartphones) or 5 years ago and that graph goes to 2018. Covid is definitely going to change that rate a bit and I would bet that the rate has increased in the last five years without Covid. And how does that compare to Japan? Taiwan? And EU?

www.yahoo.com

Three days. 10 mass shootings. More than 50 victims. US sees worst weekend of 2023.

The U.S. witnessed ten mass shootings over the weekend, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive. Many of the victims were children and teens.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
Daniel Nenni said:
Yes, 50 years ago but not 10 years (smartphones) or 5 years ago and that graph goes to 2018. Covid is definitely going to change that rate a bit and I would bet that the rate has increased in the last five years without Covid. And how does that compare to Japan? Taiwan? And EU?
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I doubt the violence rose that much in recent years, but as you say the stats lag. Our behavior has changed due to perception, not the events. Those mass shootings are horrible but just a small fraction of USA norm then or now.

Japan and Taiwan have less criminal activity, violent or otherwise. But the thread had drifted to how USA reacts over time. I was not comparing to elsewhere.
 
Chandler police say Dan Foster was the man allegedly killed by Derrick Simmons during Saturday's attack.

The Foster family shared a statement Monday night:

“Dan was a loving husband, father, son, and brother. Dan was with Intel for 22 years. This senseless act took a good man away from his loving family. He was the type of guy that would do anything for anyone...even somebody he didn't know. He would make you laugh and give you the shirt off his back. There are not enough words that describe the great person Dan was. It is devastating for our family, so many lives have been changed by this horrific act.”

www.abc15.com

Risk management experts talk about workplace violence after recent attack at Intel

ABC15 spoke with risk management expert Tom Miller, who says he and his company, Clear Force, are not part of the investigation.
www.abc15.com www.abc15.com


Sad. It's very sad.
 
Tanj said:
Japan and Taiwan have less criminal activity, violent or otherwise. But the thread had drifted to how USA reacts over time. I was not comparing to elsewhere.
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Correct but the point I was making is that onshoring manufacturing in the US comes with risks and violence in and outside of the workplace is one of them that the US politicians are not discussing. To be clear I am all for bringing manufacturing back to the United States but we certainly have some social work that needs to be done.
 
"A spreadsheet received from Chandler police showed a total of 781 calls went out from the campus in three years. Some of the calls were: 16 for theft or shoplifting, 15 for suspicious person or activity, 14 for a welfare check, 11 for stolen vehicle reports, 10 for disorderly conduct, five for criminal damage, two for assault, and one for a bomb threat. "

OMG 😱. I think it's unusually high.

www.azfamily.com

Chandler Intel workers made nearly 800 calls to police over last 3 years, records show

A spreadsheet received from Chandler police showed a total of 781 calls went out from the campus in three years.
www.azfamily.com www.azfamily.com
 
hist78 said:
"A spreadsheet received from Chandler police showed a total of 781 calls went out from the campus in three years. Some of the calls were: 16 for theft or shoplifting, 15 for suspicious person or activity, 14 for a welfare check, 11 for stolen vehicle reports, 10 for disorderly conduct, five for criminal damage, two for assault, and one for a bomb threat. "

OMG 😱. I think it's unusually high.

www.azfamily.com

Chandler Intel workers made nearly 800 calls to police over last 3 years, records show

A spreadsheet received from Chandler police showed a total of 781 calls went out from the campus in three years.
www.azfamily.com www.azfamily.com
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I wonder if this is pandemic specific? Or if this site has had problems before? The semiconductor industry is stressful but the pandemic made us all a bit crazy. But again, you will not see this type of behavior in Taiwan or Japan or South Korea. This is a US thing and it is getting worse. I was in Silicon Valley yesterday and the amount of homeless encampments is astounding and driving is much more dangerous. Of course I drive a tiny little convertible in a world of giant SUVs so I guess I get what I deserve.
 
Daniel Nenni said:
I wonder if this is pandemic specific? Or if this site has had problems before? The semiconductor industry is stressful but the pandemic made us all a bit crazy. But again, you will not see this type of behavior in Taiwan or Japan or South Korea. This is a US thing and it is getting worse. I was in Silicon Valley yesterday and the amount of homeless encampments is astounding and driving is much more dangerous. Of course I drive a tiny little convertible in a world of giant SUVs so I guess I get what I deserve.
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IMO, a 911 is not a "tiny little convertible", but I know what you mean, since one of our cars is a Boxster. We don't worry as much about the SUVs as the 18-wheelers that are going 80mph+ on the interstates. Sometimes we wonder what fraction of a mile it would take for them to come to a safe stop...

I was in LA not so long ago, and I think it's worse there than in Silicon Valley. Portland and Seattle are way up there too. (I go to Portland quite a bit, and it's gross.) One interesting phenomenon that I observed often when I lived in Santa Clara several years ago were people (usually men living alone) who had motor homes they parked on streets, and had a gym membership for showering and whatever. Some lived in vans outfitted as small motor homes. I met a few who discussed it sometimes in the gym locker rooms. They had local jobs, families that lived elsewhere, couldn't justify moving or paying $2600/month (or more) for a one bedroom "work apartment". I chose the work apartment alternative.

Personally, I don't think it's the pandemic. I think it's a small but growing segment of the US population who wants to live an alternative lifestyle that does not have the obligations of jobs, managing finances, or managing addictions. I think there's always been a segment of society like this, for example hobos and vagrants in the 20th century, but back then such people were considered near-criminals, and treated like that. Now many governments and the courts defend their civil rights to have that lifestyle. In some cities they get government assistance and benefits. I suspect the situation persists because all of the proposed remedies are unpalatable or ineffective.
 
Daniel Nenni said:
I wonder if this is pandemic specific? Or if this site has had problems before? The semiconductor industry is stressful but the pandemic made us all a bit crazy. But again, you will not see this type of behavior in Taiwan or Japan or South Korea. This is a US thing and it is getting worse. I was in Silicon Valley yesterday and the amount of homeless encampments is astounding and driving is much more dangerous. Of course I drive a tiny little convertible in a world of giant SUVs so I guess I get what I deserve.
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A semiconductor fab is a highly controlled environment. From water, dust, air, lighting, vibration, electricity, chemical, movement, to human access, it puts everything under strict operation guidelines and monitoring.

We are not talking about the street of Portland or some lawless urban area in US. We are talking about incidents happening on Intel's private owned manufacturing campus.
 
This is shocking, gross incompetence that he could come in the building with a baseball bat, a knife and a hatchet.

I don’t think Ocotillo has metal detectors, but I bet soon they’ll have them.
 
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