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Samsung to Produce Tesla Chips in $16.5 Billion Multiyear Deal

kevin01

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TL;DR: Samsung Electronics secured a $16.5 billion semiconductor supply contract starting July 2025 through 2033, likely with Tesla for Full Self-Driving (FSD) chips. This deal strengthens Samsung Foundry's position against TSMC amid growing demand for advanced automotive chips in the evolving electric vehicle market.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/1066...033-rumored-be-for-tesla-fsd-chips/index.html

 
I have to wonder, where is IFS?

This kind of chip can probably be manufactured on Intel 3 and 18A. Why did Intel not pursue it aggressively? Is it because: 1) Intel 3 and 18A PDKs are not suitable for this kind of chip, 2) IFS is not aggressive in terms of pricing, or 3) something else?

If I were IFS, I would offer a price that would allow me to barely make money to secure the first big customer. Foundry is a fixed-cost business; even if a contract doesn't make money, it at least pays the employees and keeps the factory running.
 
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On Monday, Samsung Electronics said it has signed a contract valued at $16.5 billion to supply semiconductors to a major global corporation.

When Was The Contract Chip Deal Signed?
In the regulatory filing, it stated the contract chip manufacturing deal was signed on Saturday. It further explained that until the end of 2033, details of the agreement, including the counterpart and terms, would not be disclosed.

Ray Wang, Research Director of Semiconductors, Supply Chain, and Emerging Tech, acknowledged on X (formerly Twitter), " Samsung Electronics said on Monday it has signed a contract valued at $16.5 billion to supply semiconductors to a major global corporation"

Who Is The Major Global Corporation?
According to CNBC, "Samsung earlier said that details of the deal, including the name of the counterparty, will not be disclosed until the end of 2033, citing a request from the second party “to protect trade secrets,” according to a Google translation of the filing in Korean."
Some reports reveal that the global corporation is Tesla.

Tesla Contract Can Enhance Market Share Against TSMC?
Another X (formerly Twitter) user wrote, "This $16.5B Tesla contract could significantly boost Samsung's Semiconductor business by revitalising its Texas fab with advanced 2nm chip production, enhancing market share against TSMC(Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company), and stabilising revenue with Tesla’s demand."

Samsung Electronics is a major player in contract chip manufacturing. It is also known as foundry services.

Samsung explained that since the main contents of the contract had not been disclosed due to the need to maintain business confidentiality, investors are advised to invest carefully, considering the possibility of changes or termination of the contract. On Monday, its shares were up nearly 3%.

Samsung's foundry service manufactures chips based on designs provided by other companies. It is the second-largest provider of foundry services globally, behind Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company,(TSMC).

The deal comes as South Korea is seeking US partnerships in chips and shipbuilding as it is making last-ditch efforts to reach a trade deal to eliminate or cut potential 25 per cent US tariffs. Samsung has been losing share to TSMC in contract manufacturing owing to technological challenges that the South Korean giant faces in mastering advanced chip manufacturing, a Reuters report cited analysts as saying.

 
Elon Musk confirms Tesla has signed a $16.5 billion chip contract with Samsung Electronics

Key Points
  • - Elon Musk confirmed Tesla had signed a $16.5 billion chip contract with Samsung.
  • - Samsung did not name the counterparty but said that the effective start date of the contract was July 26, 2024
  • - and its end date was Dec. 31, 2033.
  • - Samsung, which is set to deliver earnings on Thursday, expects its second-quarter profit to more than halve.
A Samsung flag flies outside the company office in Seoul, South Korea on February 05, 2024. The Seoul district court will set to final decision on Samsung Electronics Co. Chairman Lee Jae-yong in a case involving a controversial merger of two Samsung affiliates where. (Photo by Chung Sung-Jun/Getty Images)

A Samsung flag flies outside the company office in Seoul, South Korea on February 05, 2024.
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Samsung Electronics has entered into a $16.5 billion contract for supplying semiconductors to Tesla, based on a regulatory filing by the South Korean firm and Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s posts on X.

The memory chipmaker, which had not named the counterparty, mentioned in its filing that the effective start date of the contract was July 26, 2024 — receipt of orders — and its end date was Dec. 31, 2033.

However, Musk later confirmed that Tesla was the counterparty in a reply on his social media platform X.

He also posted: “Samsung’s giant new Texas fab will be dedicated to making Tesla’s next-generation AI6 chip. The strategic importance of this is hard to overstate. Samsung currently makes AI4.TSMC will make AI5, which just finished design, initially in Taiwan and then Arizona.”

“Samsung agreed to allow Tesla to assist in maximizing manufacturing efficiency. This is a critical point, as I will walk the line personally to accelerate the pace of progress,” Musk said on X, and suggested that the deal with Samsung would likely be even larger than the announced $16.5 billion.

Samsung earlier said that details of the deal, including the name of the counterparty, will not be disclosed until the end of 2033, citing a request from the second party “to protect trade secrets,” according to a Google translation of the filing in Korean on Monday.

“Since the main contents of the contract have not been disclosed due to the need to maintain business confidentiality, investors are advised to invest carefully considering the possibility of changes or termination of the contract,” the company said. Its shares rose 5% Monday.

Tesla was a probable customer, Ray Wang, research director of semiconductors, supply chain and emerging technology at The Futurum Group, told CNBC before Musk’s post. Bloomberg News had earlier reported that Samsung’s deal was with Tesla, citing a source.

Samsung’s foundry service manufactures chips based on designs provided by other companies. It is the second largest provider of foundry services globally, behind Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.

The company stated in April that it aimed to commence 2 nanometer mass production in its foundry business and secure major orders for the next-generation technology. In semiconductor technology, smaller nanometer sizes signify more compact transistor designs, which lead to greater processing power and efficiency.

Local South Korean media outlets have also reported that American chip firm Qualcomm could place an order for chips manufactured using Samsung’s 2 nanometer technology.

Samsung, which is set to deliver earnings on Thursday, expects its second-quarter profit to more than halve. An analyst previously told CNBC that the disappointing forecast was due to weak orders for its foundry business and as the company has struggled to capture AI demand for its memory business.

The company has fallen behind competitors SK Hynix and Micron in high-bandwidth memory chips — an advanced type of memory used in AI chipsets.

SK Hynix, the leader in HBM, has become the main supplier of these chips to American AI behemoth Nvidia. While Samsung has reportedly been working to get the latest version of its HBM chips certified by Nvidia, a report from a local outlet suggests these plans have been pushed back to at least September.

 
I have to wonder, where is IFS?

This kind of chip can probably be manufactured on Intel 3 and 18A. Why did Intel not pursue it aggressively? Is it because: 1) Intel 3 and 18A PDKs are not suitable for this kind of chip, 2) IFS is not aggressive in terms of pricing, or 3) something else?

If I were IFS, I would offer a price that would allow me to barely make money to secure the first big customer. Foundry is a fixed-cost business; even if a contract doesn't make money, it at least pays the employees and keeps the factory running.

I am trying to remember my A-level economics , covering your fixed costs was the basics for a company to build from?

So as long as fixed costs were covered Intel , would Intel have "been laughing"
 
I have to wonder, where is IFS?

This kind of chip can probably be manufactured on Intel 3 and 18A. Why did Intel not pursue it aggressively? Is it because: 1) Intel 3 and 18A PDKs are not suitable for this kind of chip, 2) IFS is not aggressive in terms of pricing, or 3) something else?

If I were IFS, I would offer a price that would allow me to barely make money to secure the first big customer. Foundry is a fixed-cost business; even if a contract doesn't make money, it at least pays the employees and keeps the factory running.
Maybe the profit margin isn't high enough, the CEO said IFS would not do anything if it didn't make them 50% profit margin.
 
Even if it is simply profitable or profitable, automotive semiconductors also need reliability that is different from ordinary semiconductors.
It's the same in the manufacturing process
Intel also needs to gain experience in manufacturing processes for high-reliability products

In the first place, it takes time for a vehicle with a Tesla chip made of that Samsung Fab to actually come out.
Really state-of-the-art new process nodes are not ready to be produced immediately

For example, let's talk about TSMC, do you know the process called TSMC N3A?
This is a variation of N3 nodes for automotive products and will be in production in 2026.
In 2026, nearly three years have passed since the first release of N3, and N2 has also appeared. and A16 is also in sight.
Anyway, in-vehicle semiconductors require reliability
 
Even if it is simply profitable or profitable, automotive semiconductors also need reliability that is different from ordinary semiconductors.
It's the same in the manufacturing process
Intel also needs to gain experience in manufacturing processes for high-reliability products

In the first place, it takes time for a vehicle with a Tesla chip made of that Samsung Fab to actually come out.
Really state-of-the-art new process nodes are not ready to be produced immediately

For example, let's talk about TSMC, do you know the process called TSMC N3A?
This is a variation of N3 nodes for automotive products and will be in production in 2026.
In 2026, nearly three years have passed since the first release of N3, and N2 has also appeared. and A16 is also in sight.
Anyway, in-vehicle semiconductors require reliability
Well, even if a new advanced process emerges, it will take some time before it can be used for automotive products.
It's the same for any manufacturer
Moreover, long-term supply must also be provided.
 

Personally, I do not mind that Elon collaborates with Samsung in the future. Whatever comes out, Elon doesn't seem to mind burning cash,
He is the guy of overpromising and under delivering, unlike CC Wei. I do not think TSMC minds Elon leaving the TSMC orbit at some point.

Elon seems not an easy guy to collaborate with. Once you put some 10-12 kids in the world, because you think you are the greatest and best the male-world offers genetically, time to take a distance from the guy. The world is big enough to do interesting and valuable stuff and not getting entangled into Elon's orbit.

His X-CEO finally saw the light and left X, Elon burns through people too quickly and too fast:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/07/09/musk-loses-x-ceo-linda-yaccarino-resigns/
 
Personally, I do not mind that Elon collaborates with Samsung in the future. Whatever comes out, Elon doesn't seem to mind burning cash,
He is the guy of overpromising and under delivering, unlike CC Wei. I do not think TSMC minds Elon leaving the TSMC orbit at some point.

Elon seems not an easy guy to collaborate with. Once you put some 10-12 kids in the world, because you think you are the greatest and best the male-world offers genetically, time to take a distance from the guy. The world is big enough to do interesting and valuable stuff and not getting entangled into Elon's orbit.

His X-CEO finally saw the light and left X, Elon burns through people too quickly and too fast:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/07/09/musk-loses-x-ceo-linda-yaccarino-resigns/

I think $ USD Billions of business probably matters more to TSMC, Samsung, and Intel than some of the public's perception of Tesla's CEO.
 
I think $ USD Billions of business probably matters more to TSMC, Samsung, and Intel than some of the public's perception of Tesla's CEO.
I knew that Samsung gave very very good terms for Tsla's Hw3 manufacturing, even though it was a fairly small business initially.

The HW3 chip was custom-designed by Tesla and built on Samsung's 14nm process around 2019. The HW4 was on Samsung 7nm. The Hw5 should be on TSMC N3(?) and is scheduled to release soon.

Interestingly, according to wikipedia, Musk stated HW5 will be ten times more powerful than HW4. Musk also stated that it will use up to 800 watts when processing complex environments, versus up to 100 watts for HW3 and 160 watts for HW4.

 
I knew that Samsung gave very very good terms for Tsla's Hw3 manufacturing, even though it was a fairly small business initially.

The HW3 chip was custom-designed by Tesla and built on Samsung's 14nm process around 2019. The HW4 was on Samsung 7nm. The Hw5 should be on TSMC N3(?) and is scheduled to release soon.

Interestingly, according to wikipedia, Musk stated HW5 will be ten times more powerful than HW4. Musk also stated that it will use up to 800 watts when processing complex environments, versus up to 100 watts for HW3 and 160 watts for HW4.


Does Samsung has also advanced packaging developments to handle the 800 Watt? Do they also move to photonics-co-packaged at Samsung's leading edge foundry processes?
 
I think $ USD Billions of business probably matters more to TSMC, Samsung, and Intel than some of the public's perception of Tesla's CEO.

Perhaps a nice move by TSMC to let the world "know" they are not running a (quasi)-monopoly ;) Samsung is taking business from them!
 
Knowing how Elon/Tesla works, it was probably a combination of price and control. Tesla will strong arm it's suppliers and wants a lot of control over how they do things. Intel probably wasn't willing to bend enough for them.
 
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