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How the Trump tariffs on Taiwan chips could hurt the AI trade — and the likes of Nvidia

Daniel Nenni

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President-elect Donald Trump made raising tariffs on imported goods a tenet of his reelection campaign. And while that could raise prices on everything from jeans to children’s toys for everyday Americans, Trump has also floated the idea of another tariff that could impact Wall Street’s current favorite trade: AI.

During an appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast ahead of the election, Trump lambasted the idea of the CHIPS Act, a bipartisan piece of legislation Biden signed in 2022 designed to bring semiconductor manufacturing back to the US. He called it “so bad.”

Instead of using legislation and billions in subsidies to bring chip-building facilities to the US, Trump said tariffs would have the same effect. In Trump’s estimation, putting tariffs on semiconductors from Taiwan would force chip builders, like TSMC, to construct chip manufacturing plants, or fabs, in the US to avoid having to pay the added tax.
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But there’s no guarantee chip builders wouldn’t simply move the added cost down the line to their customers and forego spending cash on expensive US facilities.

Such a move could also end up cutting into profit margins for companies like Nvidia (NVDA) and AMD (AMD), which rely on chips built in Taiwan, unless they similarly pass those costs down to their own customers. And that could have ripple effects across the tech industry.

“If the argument is that this is the way to force it to move here, TSMC is already moving here,” explained William Reinsch, a senior adviser with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “They're already building a fab plant in Arizona. That's all already underway and the tariffs aren't going to make that move any faster. If anything, they might complicate the effort.”

Chip tariffs are on the table, but not a certainty

Trump has continuously pushed the idea of tariffs as a means of targeting the US trade deficit and bringing manufacturing jobs back to America. He’s already said he wants to see a 10% to 20% tax on all imported products and a 60% tax on Chinese goods.

FILE - A person walks into the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (TSMC) headquarters in Hsinchu, Taiwan on Oct. 20, 2021. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the biggest contract manufacturer of processor chips for smartphones and other products, said Thursday, Oct. 13, 2022, quarterly profit rose 79.7% over a year earlier to $8.8 billion amid surging demand. (AP Photo/Chiang Ying-ying, File)

Tariff target? TSMC produces chips for some of the world's biggest AI companies. (AP Photo/Chiang Ying-ying, File)

During his interview with Rogan, Trump said that instead of moving forward with the CHIPS Act, he would have put tariffs on chips coming out of Taiwan, though he didn’t say how much.

The US has made reshoring chip manufacturing a major national security objective after the pandemic exposed the fragility of the global chip supply chain—and America’s reliance on other countries for advanced semiconductors.

According to a 2023 US International Trade Commission working paper, 44% of US imports of logic chips — central processing units (CPUs), graphics processing units (GPUs), etc. — came from Taiwan as of 2021. In the event of a “major manufacturing disruption,” the working paper estimated that the price of logic chips would jump as much as 59%, and US capacity would only be able to fill a portion of the gap left by the lack of Taiwanese imports.

The CHIPS Act is supposed to increase chip manufacturing in the US and some companies are already moving to construct new facilities in the country with the promise of funding coming down the pike.

Experts, meanwhile, are torn on whether the president-elect will move forward on such an import tax.

Futurum Group CEO Dan Newman said that Trump’s threats were likely nothing more than political posturing for election season rather than a flat-out promise that he would definitely move ahead with tariffs.

“Trump is unlikely to move forward with anything that hurts the economy because that’s what he wants to be known for,” Newman told Yahoo Finance.

But others, like Columbia Business School associate professor Lori Yue, say there’s a high probability that Trump will move forward with chip tariffs.

If Trump does hit Taiwan-built chips with tariffs, Yue said, it will mean higher prices for Nvidia and other chip companies that get their chips from the country. But, she added, the increase in chip sales that could come as a result of deregulation related to AI under a second Trump administration might help offset those price increases.

Newman, for his part, said that tariffs on chips out of Taiwan could eventually force chip designers to lean on Intel’s (INTC) facilities in the US at a time when that company is seeking third-party chip customers.

For now, the chip industry, and those companies that rely on it, will have to wait and see what Trump decides to do when he takes office in January. Until then, anything is on the table.

 
Funny how they mention Nvidia but forgets to include their current margins :)

By the way, how does tariffs imposed by Taiwan affect their companies or consumers? I think this should be part of discussion.
 
Funny how they mention Nvidia but forgets to include their current margins :)

By the way, how does tariffs imposed by Taiwan affect their companies or consumers? I think this should be part of discussion.

Regarding the tariffs Taiwan imposes on semiconductors, computers, and electronic products, there isn’t much need for negotiation between the US and Taiwan.

The reason is very simple: Taiwan has maintained very low or zero tariffs on these items for many years.

I think many people do not understand (or don't want to understand) that one of the main reasons for the success that TSMC, UMC, MediaTek, RealTek, Phison, Novatek, ASE, and many other Taiwanese semiconductor companies have achieved is the free market competition approach. Things like high tariffs, domestic market protections, and heavy government subsidies won't bring up the true winners that can compete in the global scale.

And Taiwan took 40 to 50 years of effort to reach this stage. There are no shortcuts.
 
Taiwan never had much of an internal market to speak of. They always focused on exports.
But TSMC, UMC, and MediaTek were originally based on the same government funded research institute I think. ITRI.

Tariffs were a bigger factor into creating the Japanese and South Korean electronics industries.
 
Taiwan never had much of an internal market to speak of. They always focused on exports.
But TSMC, UMC, and MediaTek were originally based on the same government funded research institute I think. ITRI.

Tariffs were a bigger factor into creating the Japanese and South Korean electronics industries.
It seems that the high tariff policy in Japan and South Korea is just a delaying tactic to slow down their own process of falling behind. But I'm still not totally convinced this is happening in the US too. Trump has caused too many surprises, and the US is considerably different from Japan and South Korea. Perhaps the window of domestic industrial development brought about by high tariffs could actually bring manufacturing and advanced nodes back to the US?
 
It seems that the high tariff policy in Japan and South Korea is just a delaying tactic to slow down their own process of falling behind. But I'm still not totally convinced this is happening in the US too. Trump has caused too many surprises, and the US is considerably different from Japan and South Korea. Perhaps the window of domestic industrial development brought about by high tariffs could actually bring manufacturing and advanced nodes back to the US?

Is the internal US market there to support?
 
Is the internal US market there to support?
The domestic market itself is huge, not to mention foreign markets. The political posture and military power of the US ensures that they are always in charge (whether it is the right kind of grip is another question). What's more important is the technology and talent pool - Japan and South Korea's technology publishers are mostly national, but the US is literally blessed with elites from all over the world.
 
The domestic market itself is huge, not to mention foreign markets. The political posture and military power of the US ensures that they are always in charge (whether it is the right kind of grip is another question). What's more important is the technology and talent pool - Japan and South Korea's technology publishers are mostly national, but the US is literally blessed with elites from all over the world.

Foreign markets?

There will be some pushback no?
 
Foreign markets?

There will be some pushback no?
Yes.

I would say average tariffs as trade is not symmetrical. There is no reason to put tariffs on something You gained advantage in.

Also idea behind mirroring intervention of Your trade partners is that You don't have to mirror them 1:1. You mix and match tax breaks, subsidies, tariffs, barriers(jv)...

Tariffs would not works in case of Taiwan so they used other tools. They worked in case of China as they have over billion people. Subsidies does not work in US as you have strong capital market.

Also tariffs are not silver bullet. They will not solve all problems immediately. I hope it will be better communicated since this was huge mistake in case of Russia and they used that heavily in their propaganda... (now they have 21% interest rates)
 
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