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ASML Earnings Leak Sparks Broad Semiconductor Sell-Off, Sector Down Sharply As Dutch Chipmaker Lowers 2025 Outlook

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Shares of ASML plunged by over 16% on Tuesday morning trading in New York following an accidental early release of the company’s third-quarter earnings report, sending shockwaves through the semiconductor sector.

The Dutch semiconductor equipment giant saw its stock drop sharply after lowering its 2025 sales outlook, casting a shadow over heightened future growth prospects.

ASML's third-quarter report, published a day ahead of schedule, revealed a significant revision to its 2025 net sales guidance, now projected between 30 billion euros and 35 billion euros ($32.7 billion to $38.2 billion) — a reduction from the previously stated range of 30 billion euros to 40 billion euros.

 
“While there continue to be strong developments and upside potential in AI, other market segments are taking longer to recover. It now appears the recovery is more gradual than previously expected. This is expected to continue in 2025, which is leading to customer cautiousness,” said ASML president and CEO Christophe Fouquet.

It will be interesting to see what TSMC reports. I highly doubt 2025 will be a "customer cautiousness" year for TSMC.
 
“While there continue to be strong developments and upside potential in AI, other market segments are taking longer to recover. It now appears the recovery is more gradual than previously expected. This is expected to continue in 2025, which is leading to customer cautiousness,” said ASML president and CEO Christophe Fouquet.

It will be interesting to see what TSMC reports. I highly doubt 2025 will be a "customer cautiousness" year for TSMC.
"ASML’s disappointing outlook isn’t necessarily bad for Nvidia. ASML explicitly said AI-related demand remains strong and the weakness stems from the logic chip business. The most likely culprit may be Intel, which makes central processing units, or CPUs, for PCs and servers."
 
Shares of ASML plunged by over 16% on Tuesday morning trading in New York following an accidental early release of the company’s third-quarter earnings report, sending shockwaves through the semiconductor sector.

The Dutch semiconductor equipment giant saw its stock drop sharply after lowering its 2025 sales outlook, casting a shadow over heightened future growth prospects.

ASML's third-quarter report, published a day ahead of schedule, revealed a significant revision to its 2025 net sales guidance, now projected between 30 billion euros and 35 billion euros ($32.7 billion to $38.2 billion) — a reduction from the previously stated range of 30 billion euros to 40 billion euros.


Have they started a Gofundme page to alleviate the pain.
 
There was a foundry overbuild. Every country was trying to get a fab built using all kinds of government incentives. Only a fraction of these fabs will get built, and even TSMC is likely to slow spending post 2025. A small slowdown in capital spending will get magnified through the supply chain causing big misses for equipment makers.
 
There was a foundry overbuild. Every country was trying to get a fab built using all kinds of government incentives. Only a fraction of these fabs will get built, and even TSMC is likely to slow spending post 2025. A small slowdown in capital spending will get magnified through the supply chain causing big misses for equipment makers.

I'm not convinced TSMC will slow down CAPEX in 2025 or 2026. It all depends on how Intel and Samsung does moving forward. TSMC builds based on customer orders. Samsung and Intel are still in the "build it and they will come" mode. My guess is TSMC will be flat which is still a big number.

At the most recent conference I attended there was no mention of activity on Intel 18A or Samsung 3/2nm amongst the ecosystem. Hopefully that changes next year.
 
There's this on ASML website:
"We expect fourth-quarter total net sales between €8.8 billion and €9.2 billion with a gross margin between 49% and 50% which includes the recognition of the first two High NA systems upon customer acceptance..."
Why are they only recognizing the sales of the first two high NA systems in q4, if they have already been delievered and installed in H1 2024 (one went to Intel, one to Imec)?
 
There's this on ASML website:
"We expect fourth-quarter total net sales between €8.8 billion and €9.2 billion with a gross margin between 49% and 50% which includes the recognition of the first two High NA systems upon customer acceptance..."
Why are they only recognizing the sales of the first two high NA systems in q4, if they have already been delievered and installed in H1 2024 (one went to Intel, one to Imec)?

Probably a conditional sale to make sure it works and that is not coming back.
 
They have two problems both caused by US government: ban on supplying semiconductor equipment to China and ban/licensing on supplying AI chips to many countries (so, yes, NVIDIA may suffer too as evidenced by the drop in the share price today).
 
Intel and Samsung.
It seems China is still critical. The reduction is from South Korea
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ASML Shares Plunge as Bookings Miss Signals Chipmaker Woes​

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(Bloomberg) -- ASML Holding NV’s shares plunged the most in 26 years after it booked only about half the orders analysts expected, a startling slowdown for one of the bellwethers of the semiconductor industry.

The Dutch company, which makes the world’s most advanced chipmaking machines, lowered its guidance for 2025 and reported bookings of €2.6 billion ($2.8 billion) in the third quarter, missing an average estimate of €5.39 billion by analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

The results caused ASML shares to plunge 16% in Amsterdam, the biggest decline since June 12, 1998. It also triggered a broad downturn in chip-related stocks, with Nvidia Corp. falling 4.5% and the benchmark Philadelphia Semiconductor Index sliding 5.3%. Makers of chip-manufacturing equipment were especially hard hit: Applied Materials Inc. and Lam Research Corp. both suffered their worst declines since 2020, and KLA Corp. had its biggest one-day drop in nearly a decade.

“It now appears the recovery is more gradual than previously expected. This is expected to continue in 2025, which is leading to customer cautiousness,” ASML Chief Executive Officer Christophe Fouquet said in the statement.

The weak results were amplified by the company mistakenly releasing its financial results a day earlier than scheduled. ASML published the release, which was expected on Wednesday, prematurely “due to a technical error,” it said in a separate statement.

The chip industry is experiencing strangely uneven times. In areas such as artificial intelligence accelerators, companies like Nvidia can’t keep up with demand. But in other sectors, including automotive and industrial, it’s in a prolonged slump with customers cutting back orders because they have too much inventory. Intel Corp. is cutting expenses in a restructuring that includes delays to planned factories in Germany and Poland, while memory chipmakers such as Samsung Electronics Co. and SK Hynix Inc. are also being careful with spending.

“While bookings are typically lumpy, we have to concede given lowered guidance that it’s looking like the delayed cyclical recovery and specific customer challenges are weighing heavily on ASML’s 2025 expectations,” said Bernstein analyst Sara Russo.

ASML lowered its guidance for 2025 total net sales to between €30 billion and €35 billion, compared to as much as €40 billion previously. Next year, the company expects a gross margin between 51% and 53%, compared to a prior range between 54% and 56%, mainly due to delayed timing for its top-end extreme ultraviolet machines, Fouquet said in the statement.

ASML didn’t give a detailed explanation of why its bookings fell so short of estimates, beyond a few delays in plant constructions. The company will hold a call with investors Wednesday.

Europe’s most valuable technology company’s shares have fallen by a third since hitting a record high in July, hurt by the prospect of more US restrictions on its business in China, as well as a broader weakness in the semiconductor sector.

“Many will debate whether this release was an accident or planned, but clearly disappointing,” Cantor Fitzgerald analyst C. J. Muse said in an emailed statement. “Weakness across Intel and Samsung is clearly leading to 2025 tracking worse than we thought,” he said.

Last month, the Netherlands published new export control rules that made ASML apply for export licenses in The Hague instead of US for some of its older machines. That came on the heels of a Bloomberg report that the Dutch government would limit some of ASML’s ability to repair and maintain its semiconductor equipment in China.

China remained ASML’s biggest market, accounting for 47% of sales in the quarter. Sales to the Asian nation jumped by nearly 20% from previous quarter to €2.79 billion.

But the demand from China may slow in the upcoming period and Washington’s ongoing chip war against Beijing continues to be a long-term overhang on ASML shares. The company could lose nearly a quarter of its sales in China next year, and 45% of its overall revenue generated in the country is at risk from further restrictions, according to UBS analyst Francois-Xavier Bouvignies.

 
China is currently less than halfway across their latest fab build. Unless the US government cuts sales of immersion lithography ASML should still have at least like three years of sales there. 2025, 2028, 2029.
 
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- Investors finally realize the upcycle isn’t as strong as stocks indicated​
- Industry Bifurcation between AI & rest of industry continues​
- China spending risk/overhang finally kicks in​
- AI is super strong, majority of chips remain weak- Invest accordingly​

 
I would not say the Chinese tool purchases are fake, or hoarding. Not when SMIC and Hua Hong have capacity usage of like 80%+. Their fab expansion is real and less than half the way through at this point.

SMIC had a capacity utilization rate of 85.2% in Q2 2024. Hua Hong had a capacity utilization rate of 97.9% in Q2 2024.
Both companies are capacity constrained. It is as simple as that.

Hua Hong finished building their second fab shell at Wuxi of three fabs total planned to be built at the same site for example. Same deal for CXMT at Hefei and YMTC at Wuhan.

Those sites have built their second fab shells, and are moving tools in. With a third shell to be built some time in the future. Maybe 2027 with tools moving in 2028.

Once those sites are fully operational, they will have like 300,000 wpm combined.

SMIC has three huge sites at Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai. They built their first fab shells and are moving the tools in. They have second and third fabs planned to be built at the same sites in the future.

There is a huge amount of pent-up chip demand as the Chinese appliance makers switch to sourcing chips from inside China proper to cut costs.
 
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I would not say the Chinese tool purchases are fake, or hoarding. Not when SMIC and Hua Hong have capacity usage of like 80%+. Their fab expansion is real and less than half the way through at this point.

SMIC had a capacity utilization rate of 85.2% in Q2 2024. Hua Hong had a capacity utilization rate of 97.9% in Q2 2024.
Both companies are capacity constrained. It is as simple as that.

Hua Hong finished building their second fab shell at Wuxi of three fabs total planned to be built at the same site for example. Same deal for CXMT at Hefei and YMTC at Wuhan.

Those sites have built their second fab shells, and are moving tools in. With a third shell to be built some time in the future. Maybe 2027 with tools moving in 2028.

Once those sites are fully operational, they will have like 300,000 wpm combined.

SMIC has three huge sites at Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai. They built their first fab shells and are moving the tools in. They have second and third fabs planned to be built at the same sites in the future.

There is a huge amount of pent-up chip demand as the Chinese appliance makers switch to sourcing chips from inside China proper to cut costs.
The question is what tools can they buy. The big money makers for ASML will be EUV and HiNA EUV and the latest greatest immersion which I believe are all restricted
 
The question is what tools can they buy. The big money makers for ASML will be EUV and HiNA EUV and the latest greatest immersion which I believe are all restricted
Yeah, that's old news. China never had access to EUV from day one. The real question is how many customers are restricted from buying immersion DUV tools.
 
Yeah, that's old news. China never had access to EUV from day one. The real question is how many customers are restricted from buying immersion DUV tools.
SMIC ordered EUV tools from ASML. And the order was accepted and being processed until Orange Man coerced ASML to cancel the deal. SMIC then replaced that order with the equivalent amount of money in immersion lithography tools.

In the end I suspect things will just go back to form where the restrictions on tool sales will be lifted once China can make their own competitive tools. The idea you can just ban the largest semi market in the world from being able to produce its own chips while simultaneously denying sales of advanced chips to them is just wishful thinking.

But yes it will be possible to delay their industrial progress. The only question is for how long. It depends on the amount of industrial resources the Chinese pour into solving this issue by themselves.
 
SMIC ordered EUV tools from ASML. And the order was accepted and being processed until Orange Man coerced ASML to cancel the deal. SMIC then replaced that order with the equivalent amount of money in immersion lithography tools.

In the end I suspect things will just go back to form where the restrictions on tool sales will be lifted once China can make their own competitive tools. The idea you can just ban the largest semi market in the world from being able to produce its own chips while simultaneously denying sales of advanced chips to them is just wishful thinking.

But yes it will be possible to delay their industrial progress. The only question is for how long. It depends on the amount of industrial resources the Chinese pour into solving this issue by themselves.
Imagine if China was to cancel and hold all critical minerals and assembled laptops and phones…. fair play ?
 
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