Array
(
    [content] => 
    [params] => Array
        (
            [0] => /forum/threads/two-signs-that-intel-14a-will-be-a-winner.24382/
        )

    [addOns] => Array
        (
            [DL6/MLTP] => 13
            [Hampel/TimeZoneDebug] => 1000070
            [SV/ChangePostDate] => 2010200
            [SemiWiki/Newsletter] => 1000010
            [SemiWiki/WPMenu] => 1000010
            [SemiWiki/XPressExtend] => 1000010
            [ThemeHouse/XLink] => 1000970
            [ThemeHouse/XPress] => 1010570
            [XF] => 2030770
            [XFI] => 1060170
        )

    [wordpress] => /var/www/html
)

Two signs that Intel 14A will be a winner

Daniel Nenni

Admin
Staff member
Intel employees in a factory.

Image source: Intel.

Key Points
  • - Hiring is picking up at Intel's long-delayed Ohio fab.
  • - Recent comments from CEO Lip-Bu Tan suggest greater success in engaging potential customers for the Intel 14A process than for the Intel 18A process.
  • - This could indicate that Intel will accelerate the Ohio construction timeline to support the Intel 14A launch.
In 2022, Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) announced a $28 billion investment in two new leading-edge chip factories in Ohio. This investment was part of Intel's plan to become a world-class foundry serving external customers. Originally, chip production was slated to begin in 2025.

Intel has delayed the Ohio project multiple times as the company struggled to win external foundry customers. When Lip-Bu Tan took over as CEO in early 2025, it became reasonable to ask whether the fabs would ever be completed. Tan made it clear that the Intel 14A process node, set to launch in 2027, would proceed only if the company could win meaningful external customers. As of now, 2030 is the target date for the first fab in Ohio to begin producing chips.

Intel 18A, the process node that is now ramping in Arizona and used for Intel's Panther Lake PC CPUs, got off to a rough start. Intel reportedly struggled with yield problems, and large external customers remain elusive.

The situation seems to have improved. An analyst noted earlier this month that yields for Intel 18A are now over 60% and improving, which is good enough to support the Panther Lake launch. The analyst also reiterated that Apple was likely to use Intel for manufacturing some of its chips on Intel 18A in addition to exploring Intel 14A for future chips.

While Intel 18A may not be the home run Intel needed to prove its foundry strategy was working, at the very least, it appears the node will be successful and profitable in the long run. That leaves Intel 14A as the true proving ground for Intel. The company must win meaningful external customers well ahead of the start of production for its foundry business to succeed.

Two recent signs indicate that Intel 14A is on track. First, the construction company building Intel's Ohio fabs recently posted a handful of new jobs related to the construction of the facilities. While some progress has been made over the past three years, this could indicate that construction is ramping up.

On its own, the job posting news isn't enough to draw any real conclusions. However, Tan recently made remarks in an Intel News video on X that are the polar opposite of his cautious statements about the Intel 14A process in 2025. "We are going big time into 14A. Stay tuned, we are going to see a lot of great momentum on the 14A in terms of yields [and] IP portfolio to serve the customer well," said Tan.

This statement suggests that Intel is confident that it can win significant external customers for the Intel 14A process. Combined with the hiring news, it could also be a sign that Intel is trying to advance the timeline for its Ohio fabs. If chip production doesn't begin until 2030, that's likely too late to support the Intel 14A process.

It's certainly possible that Intel could get the first Ohio fab up and running in 2028 or 2029. If the company has a customer for Intel 14A outside its own product divisions, it would likely be for chips launching in that time frame. The Apple rumor suggests the company is considering using Intel 14A for some chips in 2029.

What does this mean for Intel stock?​

Intel is set to report its fourth-quarter results on Thursday after the market closes. While the company may not have anything to announce related to the foundry just yet, a more aggressive Ohio construction timeline or the disclosure of a major external foundry customer would almost certainly light a fire under the stock.

Increasing the likelihood of Intel 14A's success is the chronic shortage of advanced manufacturing capacity at foundry leader TSMC. That situation isn't going to change anytime soon, so Intel could stand to benefit over the next few years as chip designers scramble to secure capacity. TSMC recently bumped up its capital spending plans, but building new fabs can take years.

Through much of 2025, Intel's foundry business appeared to be teetering on the edge of disaster, with no major external customers and problematic yields. The story has become much brighter in 2026, and if the Ohio hiring news and Tan's statements are any indication, Intel could have major foundry announcements coming in the next year. If Intel can remove any doubt surrounding its foundry strategy, the stock could continue to rally as the company taps into soaring demand for advanced chip manufacturing.

 
I think TSMC's $50B+ CAPEX in 2026 may indicate otherwise.

Increasing the likelihood of Intel 14A's success is the chronic shortage of advanced manufacturing capacity at foundry leader TSMC. That situation isn't going to change anytime soon, so Intel could stand to benefit over the next few years as chip designers scramble to secure capacity. TSMC recently bumped up its capital spending plans, but building new fabs can take years.
 
Before Ohio is running, doesnt Fab 62 need to come up?

Seems like the Jobs are consistent with what has been happening for last year. There are people there doing work aligned to a 2030 start up. there are 8 jobs posted. help me with what has changed (Maybe LBT will tell us).

Lets look at foundry revenue, IFS margins, prepayments, tapeouts and see what happens.
 
Before Ohio is running, doesnt Fab 62 need to come up?

Seems like the Jobs are consistent with what has been happening for last year. There are people there doing work aligned to a 2030 start up. there are 8 jobs posted. help me with what has changed (Maybe LBT will tell us).

Lets look at foundry revenue, IFS margins, prepayments, tapeouts and see what happens.

Fab 62 is for 18A? Hopefully Intel internal products ramp up so 62 is necessary and maybe add some foundry business.

I don't recall if the Intel AZ fabs can handle HNA-EUV. The Ohio fabs are HNA-EUV capable. Intel often builds shells and waits until demand ramps before moving equipment in. Nothing new there.

Based on the what I have heard on the street the top 10 are again looking at Intel Foundry as an alternative to TSMC N3/N2. Lip-Bu Tan is making a big difference and the tight capacity at TSMC is helping but I have also heard good things about Intel 18AP.
 
Fab 62 is for 18A? Hopefully Intel internal products ramp up so 62 is necessary and maybe add some foundry business.

I don't recall if the Intel AZ fabs can handle HNA-EUV. The Ohio fabs are HNA-EUV capable. Intel often builds shells and waits until demand ramps before moving equipment in. Nothing new there.

Based on the what I have heard on the street the top 10 are again looking at Intel Foundry as an alternative to TSMC N3/N2. Lip-Bu Tan is making a big difference and the tight capacity at TSMC is helping but I have also heard good things about Intel 18AP.

Fab 52, 62, both Ohio Fabs were meant for 18A. Then everything changed. Lets see what Intel says publicly.... then we can speculate.

And again: Intels challenge in foundry is not technical capability to develope a leading edge process. It is whether they can do it cost effectively. This is always the determining factor.
 
Intel employees in a factory.

Image source: Intel.

Key Points
  • - Hiring is picking up at Intel's long-delayed Ohio fab.
  • - Recent comments from CEO Lip-Bu Tan suggest greater success in engaging potential customers for the Intel 14A process than for the Intel 18A process.
  • - This could indicate that Intel will accelerate the Ohio construction timeline to support the Intel 14A launch.
In 2022, Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) announced a $28 billion investment in two new leading-edge chip factories in Ohio. This investment was part of Intel's plan to become a world-class foundry serving external customers. Originally, chip production was slated to begin in 2025.

Intel has delayed the Ohio project multiple times as the company struggled to win external foundry customers. When Lip-Bu Tan took over as CEO in early 2025, it became reasonable to ask whether the fabs would ever be completed. Tan made it clear that the Intel 14A process node, set to launch in 2027, would proceed only if the company could win meaningful external customers. As of now, 2030 is the target date for the first fab in Ohio to begin producing chips.

Intel 18A, the process node that is now ramping in Arizona and used for Intel's Panther Lake PC CPUs, got off to a rough start. Intel reportedly struggled with yield problems, and large external customers remain elusive.

The situation seems to have improved. An analyst noted earlier this month that yields for Intel 18A are now over 60% and improving, which is good enough to support the Panther Lake launch. The analyst also reiterated that Apple was likely to use Intel for manufacturing some of its chips on Intel 18A in addition to exploring Intel 14A for future chips.

While Intel 18A may not be the home run Intel needed to prove its foundry strategy was working, at the very least, it appears the node will be successful and profitable in the long run. That leaves Intel 14A as the true proving ground for Intel. The company must win meaningful external customers well ahead of the start of production for its foundry business to succeed.

Two recent signs indicate that Intel 14A is on track. First, the construction company building Intel's Ohio fabs recently posted a handful of new jobs related to the construction of the facilities. While some progress has been made over the past three years, this could indicate that construction is ramping up.

On its own, the job posting news isn't enough to draw any real conclusions. However, Tan recently made remarks in an Intel News video on X that are the polar opposite of his cautious statements about the Intel 14A process in 2025. "We are going big time into 14A. Stay tuned, we are going to see a lot of great momentum on the 14A in terms of yields [and] IP portfolio to serve the customer well," said Tan.

This statement suggests that Intel is confident that it can win significant external customers for the Intel 14A process. Combined with the hiring news, it could also be a sign that Intel is trying to advance the timeline for its Ohio fabs. If chip production doesn't begin until 2030, that's likely too late to support the Intel 14A process.

It's certainly possible that Intel could get the first Ohio fab up and running in 2028 or 2029. If the company has a customer for Intel 14A outside its own product divisions, it would likely be for chips launching in that time frame. The Apple rumor suggests the company is considering using Intel 14A for some chips in 2029.

What does this mean for Intel stock?​

Intel is set to report its fourth-quarter results on Thursday after the market closes. While the company may not have anything to announce related to the foundry just yet, a more aggressive Ohio construction timeline or the disclosure of a major external foundry customer would almost certainly light a fire under the stock.

Increasing the likelihood of Intel 14A's success is the chronic shortage of advanced manufacturing capacity at foundry leader TSMC. That situation isn't going to change anytime soon, so Intel could stand to benefit over the next few years as chip designers scramble to secure capacity. TSMC recently bumped up its capital spending plans, but building new fabs can take years.

Through much of 2025, Intel's foundry business appeared to be teetering on the edge of disaster, with no major external customers and problematic yields. The story has become much brighter in 2026, and if the Ohio hiring news and Tan's statements are any indication, Intel could have major foundry announcements coming in the next year. If Intel can remove any doubt surrounding its foundry strategy, the stock could continue to rally as the company taps into soaring demand for advanced chip manufacturing.

Before Ohio is running, doesnt Fab 62 need to come up?

Seems like the Jobs are consistent with what has been happening for last year. There are people there doing work aligned to a 2030 start up. there are 8 jobs posted. help me with what has changed (Maybe LBT will tell us).

Lets look at foundry revenue, IFS margins, prepayments, tapeouts and see what happens.

Unfortunately, Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick have already sealed Intel’s fate. They killed Intel.

Under the recently signed US–Taiwan trade agreement, Taiwan is obligated to invest $250 billion in expanding fabs in the US, primarily by TSMC, and another US$250 billion in Taiwanese government backed loans for Taiwanese companies to expand their semiconductor supply chain, AI, and other technology investments in the US.

According to the agreement, TSMC can import up to 2.5 times the value of its investment in equipment and products into the US, all tax free, during the construction of its new Arizona fabs.

How can Intel Foundry or even Intel’s product division compete?

In the old TSMC investment arrangement negotiated by the first Trump administration and the Biden administration, it secured the domestic supply of advanced semiconductors for U.S. national security related applications, brought healthy competition to US semiconductor manufacturing, reduced the risks for the US, Taiwan, and TSMC, and, importantly, gave Intel enough breathing room and growth potential in the name of large domestic production.

Now, Trump has forced Taiwan to sign an agreement that is widely disliked in Taiwan, with the consequence of killing Intel.

Or I could say the Trump administration forced Taiwan and TSMC to kill Intel.
 
Last edited:
I don't recall if the Intel AZ fabs can handle HNA-EUV. The Ohio fabs are HNA-EUV capable. Intel often builds shells and waits until demand ramps before moving equipment in. Nothing new there.
They are high Na capable fabs
For price/availability, fabless customers may choose Intel but for process technology, Intel is way behind TSMC
View attachment 4081
In (almost) all aspects, TSMC N3E is (much) better than Intel 18A
In all aspects, TSMC N2 (or A16/A14) is expected to be (much) better than Intel 14A
RuCo liner for BEOL Cu, 2024-Jul-Applied, link = https://ir.appliedmaterials.com/new...s-unveils-chip-wiring-innovations-more-energy
What about the PPA? that's the big question
 
For price/availability, fabless customers may choose Intel

I doubt that availability will be one of Intel’s strengths. With the $250 billion that TSMC is required to invest in its Arizona fabs, in addition to the huge TSMC’s capacity in Taiwan. I don’t think Intel can compete in terms of Capex, capacity, and availability.
 
I doubt that availability will be one of Intel’s strengths. With the $250 billion that TSMC is required to invest in its Arizona fabs, in addition to the huge TSMC’s capacity in Taiwan. I don’t think Intel can compete in terms of Capex, capacity, and availability.
You can't build a fab in US in just 2 years TSMC Arizona took like 3-4 Years !!!
 
For price/availability, fabless customers may choose Intel but for process technology, Intel is way behind TSMC
View attachment 4081
In (almost) all aspects, TSMC N3E is (much) better than Intel 18A
In all aspects, TSMC N2 (or A16/A14) is expected to be (much) better than Intel 14A
RuCo liner for BEOL Cu, 2024-Jul-Applied, link = https://ir.appliedmaterials.com/new...s-unveils-chip-wiring-innovations-more-energy
Intel will reserve and likely use the option not to use 0.55NA for 14A: depth of focus, resist blur, mask challenges (https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/...y-to-state-of-the-art/10.1117/12.3075863.full).
 
Last edited:
Back
Top