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TSMC says it has discussed moving fabs out of Taiwan but such a move impossible

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FILE PHOTO: Taiwanese chip giant TSMC holds a ceremony in Tainan

HSINCHU/TAIPEI, Taiwan (Reuters) -Taiwanese contract chipmaker TSMC, whose major clients include Nvidia and Apple, said on Tuesday it had held talks with some customers about moving its chip plants off the island as tensions mounted with China but such a move would be impossible.

Tensions between China and Taiwan have increased sharply since Beijing launched war games around the democratically governed island last month following inauguration of Taiwan President Lai Ching-te, who Beijing denounces as a "separatist".

"Instability across the Taiwan Straits is indeed a consideration for supply chain, but I want to say that we certainly do not want wars to happen," Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC) Chairman C.C. Wei told reporters after the company's annual general meeting.

He said it would be impossible to move chip factories out of the island, given that 80-90% of its production capacity is in Taiwan.
Wei did not name the customers with whom TSMC had held talks on the potential shift out of Taiwan.

TSMC, which is grappling with surging orders for high-end chips used to offer generative artificial intelligence tools and services, had discussions with ChatGPT creator OpenAI over AI chip supplies, which the Taiwanese firm considered "too aggressive", Wei said, without elaborating.

"He is very aggressive, too aggressive for me to believe," Wei said, referring to OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.

Altman held talks with TSMC last year to discuss a potential partnership to build roughly three dozen factories in order to ensure that the company would be able to acquire enough silicon to meet their steadily growing need, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The talks were cordial, but TSMC officials made clear that the number of fabs Altman was proposing was too many, and TSMC feared it would not be able to operate the factories at the needed 80% or greater capacity, the source said.

TSMC's projections at the time did not forecast enough demand for more than 30 new fabs.

It was not clear if TSMC and Altman talked about building its fabs outside of Taiwan.

"NOBODY IS WORRIED"

Despite the China tensions, the topic of a possible war and its impact on chip supply chains has barely featured at the annual Computex technology trade show this week in Taipei, unless brought up by reporters to executives on the sidelines.

"Nobody is worried about this yet," Frank Huang, chairman of Powerchip Semiconductor Manufacturing, told reporters at the event, when asked whether foreign customers were putting pressure on Taiwan firms not to produce there given the tensions.

"I think of course always there is military activity, or showdowns, but again Taiwan is so important to AI - even the Chinese know that. We are OK, no problem," he said.
Advanced Micro Devices CEO Lisa Su also reiterated the importance of Taiwan in the global chip supply chain, when asked about how tensions with China and its war games could affect the industry.

"We do a lot of our manufacturing here with key suppliers like TSMC... And then we also have a number of partners that help us build out the ecosystem here in Taiwan," she had told reporters at the show on Monday.

"The bottom line from our perspective is it's really important to have a global ecosystem."

 
its possible. TSMC Japan is a success. TSMC just needs to find a country with a similar culture for a smoother ride
 
its possible. TSMC Japan is a success. TSMC just needs to find a country with a similar culture for a smoother ride

Agreed. I think Japan could be the next big semiconductor hub for foundries. Better than the EU, very different cultures. UMC already has a fab in Japan. Does Samsung? I don't think so. TSMC could corner the Japan foundry market, absolutely.
 
its possible. TSMC Japan is a success. TSMC just needs to find a country with a similar culture for a smoother ride
It is challenging w.r.t. cost or lower chip price to build advanced fabs outside of Taiwan. But if considering geopolitical conflict, earthquake impact and electricity & water supply shortage, especially for power hunger monsters EUV scanners, tsmc might be forced out to mitigate these risks. I would say JASM is successful at start for mature nodes. It still takes time to demonstrate comparable yield, cycle time and also manufacturing cost.
 
Still surprise Apple, AMD and Nvidia didn’t push harder for supply de risking.

One big earthquake or a super typhoon will disrupt things for many months or more.

You’d think TSMC and maybe now CCs legacy to break out to become a truly international company.

Of course with the US elections anything could be in the future
 
its possible. TSMC Japan is a success. TSMC just needs to find a country with a similar culture for a smoother ride
That country shares a language, history and but a short 100 miles away. The success of Foxconn there suggest there is a huge pool of hard working and willing possible employees, just one small problem there at the moment
 
Still surprise Apple, AMD and Nvidia didn’t push harder for supply de risking.
One big earthquake or a super typhoon will disrupt things for many months or more.
You’d think TSMC and maybe now CCs legacy to break out to become a truly international company.
Of course with the US elections anything could be in the future

The Taiwan earthquake/typhoon card has been played many times. That was the Globalfoundries mantra when they first got started. Didn't work then and won't work now. I was in Hsinchu during earthquakes and typhoons. TSMC knows how to build fabs and very few wafers have been lost. I even wrote about it a couple of times:


China does not worry me either. The Silicon Shield is real and now that TSMC is working closely with other countries the shield is stronger than ever. People are now praising Taiwan for semiconductors not just TSMC so the narrative has changed.


"I want to tell you that I am very grateful that you made me and our company Nvidia feel so welcome in Taiwan. Taiwan is the home of Nvidia's very treasured partners," he said in English, before reeling off names such as TSMC and Foxconn.

He regularly speaks Taiwanese when out on the streets in Taiwan and at press events. The language is closely associated with those who champion Taiwan's separate identity from China, though it is also spoken in China's Fujian province and is generally known as Hokkien.

"In the past, some people looked down on Taiwanese. Now Jensen Huang, the 'three trillion dollar man', naturally uses his mother tongue," Wang Ting-yu, a senior lawmaker for Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party, wrote in a Facebook post.

Huang's comments that he was thinking of building another research and development centre in Taiwan, maybe in the southern cities of Tainan and Kaohsiung, where a lot of tech manufacturing already takes place, sparked light-hearted but still serious pitches by both cities' mayors on Facebook.
 
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