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Trump to allow certain Nvidia chip sales to China for 25% U.S Gov cut

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President Donald Trump on Monday said Nvidia will be allowed to ship its H200 artificial intelligence chips to “approved customers” in China and elsewhere, on the condition that the U.S. gets a 25% cut.

Chinese President Xi Jinping “responded positively” to the proposal, Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

The policy “will support American Jobs, strengthen U.S. Manufacturing, and benefit American Taxpayers,” Trump wrote.

“The Department of Commerce is finalizing the details, and the same approach will apply to AMD, Intel, and other GREAT American Companies,” he added in the post.

Both Nvidia and chip rival AMD, short for Advanced Micro Devices, agreed in August to share 15% of the revenue from China chip sales with the U.S. government. But around that same time, China reportedly warned companies against using the H20 AI chip that Nvidia designed especially for the country.

The H200 is a higher-grade chip than the H20, but not the company’s top-of-the-line product.

Nvidia shares climbed earlier Monday on news that the Commerce Department was set to approve the China sales, but later pared those gains. The stock rose about 2% after hours.

“We applaud President Trump’s decision to allow America’s chip industry to compete to support high paying jobs and manufacturing in America,” a spokesman from Nvidia told CNBC in a statement.

“Offering H200 to approved commercial customers, vetted by the Department of Commerce, strikes a thoughtful balance that is great for America,” the spokesman said.

Semiconductors, which are key components in nearly every category of electronics, are at the center of the AI race between the U.S. and China.

They have also played a role in the tumultuous trade relationship between the two economic superpowers.

When Beijing imposed export controls on rare-earth minerals, which are used in the production of some high-end chips, the Trump administration threatened to massively increase tariffs on U.S. imports from China.

After meeting in South Korea in late October, Trump and Xi struck a tentative trade truce in which China committed to end “retaliation” against U.S. chipmakers, according to the White House.

Trump said after that meeting that he discussed the export of Nvidia chips with Xi.

 

President Donald Trump on Monday said Nvidia
will be allowed to ship its H200 artificial intelligence chips to “approved customers” in China and elsewhere, on the condition that the U.S. gets a 25% cut.

Chinese President Xi Jinping “responded positively” to the proposal, Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

The policy “will support American Jobs, strengthen U.S. Manufacturing, and benefit American Taxpayers,” Trump wrote.

“The Department of Commerce is finalizing the details, and the same approach will apply to AMD, Intel, and other GREAT American Companies,” he added in the post.

Both Nvidia and chip rival AMD, short for Advanced Micro Devices, agreed in August to share 15% of the revenue from China chip sales with the U.S. government. But around that same time, China reportedly warned companies against using the H20 AI chip that Nvidia designed especially for the country.

The H200 is a higher-grade chip than the H20, but not the company’s top-of-the-line product.

Nvidia shares climbed earlier Monday on news that the Commerce Department was set to approve the China sales, but later pared those gains. The stock rose about 2% after hours.

“We applaud President Trump’s decision to allow America’s chip industry to compete to support high paying jobs and manufacturing in America,” a spokesman from Nvidia told CNBC in a statement.

“Offering H200 to approved commercial customers, vetted by the Department of Commerce, strikes a thoughtful balance that is great for America,” the spokesman said.

Semiconductors, which are key components in nearly every category of electronics, are at the center of the AI race between the U.S. and China.

They have also played a role in the tumultuous trade relationship between the two economic superpowers.

When Beijing imposed export controls on rare-earth minerals, which are used in the production of some high-end chips, the Trump administration threatened to massively increase tariffs on U.S. imports from China.

After meeting in South Korea in late October, Trump and Xi struck a tentative trade truce in which China committed to end “retaliation” against U.S. chipmakers, according to the White House.

Trump said after that meeting that he discussed the export of Nvidia chips with Xi.

Just seen this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
trump is using bullying power to provide government funding. I am a free trader so I hate it, but I have to admit that I am shocked about the lack of negative impacts from these crazy policies.
 

China to limit access to Nvidia's H200 chips despite Trump export approval, FT reports​



Dec 9 (Reuters) - Beijing is set to limit access to Nvidia's advanced H200 chips despite U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to allow the export of the technology to China, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday, citing two people with knowledge of the matter.

Regulators in Beijing have been discussing ways to permit limited access to the H200, Nvidia's second-best generation of artificial intelligence chips, according to the report.

Such a move would add a hurdle to Nvidia (NVDA.O), opens new tab and other top U.S. chipmakers' ability to address the China market, after Trump's Monday announcement appeared to settle a debate over whether these companies should keep their global lead by selling AI chips to China or withhold shipments.

Nvidia shares, which had risen as much as 2% in premarket trading, pared gains after the report and were last up about 0.6%. The company did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment on the report.

Beijing has been pushing back against domestic firms' use of U.S. technology, especially Nvidia chips, as it retaliates against American restrictions.

Earlier U.S. restrictions banned the sale of advanced AI processors to China, weighing on Nvidia's ability to grow in one of the world's largest markets for AI chips and development.
The export of the H200 chips will be permitted with a 25% fee levied on such sales, Trump said in a post on Truth Social on Monday.

Ipek Ozkardeskaya, senior analyst at Swissquote Bank, said the approval alone may have limited impact on Nvidia's business in China unless it is allowed to export other chip lines such as Blackwell or Rubin.

Shares of AMD and Intel also pared gains and were last up about 0.3% in premarket trading. So far this year, Nvidia has gained nearly 40% compared with the S&P 500 (.SPX), opens new tab benchmark index's 16.4% rise in the same period.
 
I have to admit that I am shocked about the lack of negative impacts from these crazy policies.
What kind of negative impacts did you expect ? Inflation is creeping up in the US. China's trade surplus continues to grow despite less direct trade with the US, thanks to "trade rerouting" (some of that shipments from China that eventually make it to the US).

China trade surplus tops $1 trillion for first time on non-US growth​



And US manufacturing and agriculture is slumping, partially thanks to tariffs and accompanying Chinese embargoes on some US goods. At least the soybean farmers are getting some relief, but not our manufacturers.

US manufacturing stuck in doldrums as tariff headwinds persist​



But I agree with @Xebec on this one. +2 - Free Trade maintains peace
 
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I always hope that the people running this country know what they are doing since it is above my pay grade. I do credit Jensen Huang and Lip-Bu Tan for making a valiant effort to work with the current administration. However, I always feel that behind the scenes semiconductor executives are just shaking their heads in disappointment of lost international business opportunities.
 
What kind of negative impacts did you expect ? Inflation is creeping up in the US. China's trade surplus continues to grow despite less direct trade with the US, thanks to "trade rerouting" (some of that shipments from China that eventually make it to the US).

China trade surplus tops $1 trillion for first time on non-US growth​



And US manufacturing and agriculture is slumping, partially thanks to tariffs and accompanying Chinese embargoes on some US goods. At least the soybean farmers are getting some relief, but not our manufacturers.

US manufacturing stuck in doldrums as tariff headwinds persist​



But I agree with @Xebec on this one. +2 - Free Trade maintains peace

Record Trade surplus yet currency so weak.

What currency you reckon China uses for all its trading?
 
What kind of negative impacts did you expect ? Inflation is creeping up in the US. China's trade surplus continues to grow despite less direct trade with the US, thanks to "trade rerouting" (some of that shipments from China that eventually make it to the US).

China trade surplus tops $1 trillion for first time on non-US growth​



And US manufacturing and agriculture is slumping, partially thanks to tariffs and accompanying Chinese embargoes on some US goods. At least the soybean farmers are getting some relief, but not our manufacturers.

US manufacturing stuck in doldrums as tariff headwinds persist​



But I agree with @Xebec on this one. +2 - Free Trade maintains peace
I thought inflation would skyrocket, trade would collapse, tech market would collapse. (all Macro, not Micro)

Tech industry did not collapes.... it boomed. Global trade did not collapse. What is inflation rate currently. what is inflation on tech goods? Let me know what the numbers are.

Bipartisan challenge: If I asked people whether Inflation was more or less than 10% per year..... what would people say? What would be the correct answer?


Interesting data. Not sure how it will end up.
 
Bipartisan challenge: If I asked people whether Inflation was more or less than 10% per year..... what would people say? What would be the correct answer?
Many folks would say it was above 10% of much of the time, but of course it was never that high in my lifetime, except for the late 70s/early 80s. CPI‑U (all items, seasonally adjusted) is 3.0% the most recent available 12 months, ending in September 2025. But there's a broad expectation in some circles that prices will go back to their Pre-COVID levels. The only good news for consumers is that tech goods generally deflate since the CPI is based on the pricing of a comparable basket of goods (what does the price of a 42" televisions look like over time), though tariffs might be affecting that.
Global trade did not collapse.

We've seen maybe 20-30% of global trade to have been rerouted, where a county ships the same or similar goods via a third country, do minimal processing or repackaging there, and then export to the final market as if they originated in that third country. I've seen reports that show weaker China–US volumes alongside stronger Asia–Europe, intra‑Asia, and China–third‑country trade, with ASEAN, Mexico, and parts of Europe as major recipients of diverted Chinese exports.
 
Many folks would say it was above 10% of much of the time, but of course it was never that high in my lifetime, except for the late 70s/early 80s. CPI‑U (all items, seasonally adjusted) is 3.0% the most recent available 12 months, ending in September 2025. But there's a broad expectation in some circles that prices will go back to their Pre-COVID levels. The only good news for consumers is that tech goods generally deflate since the CPI is based on the pricing of a comparable basket of goods (what does the price of a 42" televisions look like over time), though tariffs might be affecting that.


We've seen maybe 20-30% of global trade to have been rerouted, where a county ships the same or similar goods via a third country, do minimal processing or repackaging there, and then export to the final market as if they originated in that third country. I've seen reports that show weaker China–US volumes alongside stronger Asia–Europe, intra‑Asia, and China–third‑country trade, with ASEAN, Mexico, and parts of Europe as major recipients of diverted Chinese exports.
100% agree. The correct response to tariffs is to [legally] change the the supply routed. I can give a top 10 list of LEGAL tricks used to do this.

Also, I do not know why multiple politicians say prices overall should come down or have come down. If prices overall drop, it is VERY BAD time in history .... 2-3% inflation keeps the engine going smooth.
 
Record Trade surplus yet currency so weak.

What currency you reckon China uses for all its trading?
Chinese trade is done in weak RMBs, which of course helps give them additional price advantages. But the surplus statistics are done using far stronger dollars, which makes the $1T surplus all the more shocking.
 

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So, chips manufactured in Taiwan (and never touching American soil) are going to be subject to 25% export taxes? Got it. Sounds a bit unconstitutional so these may never be paid. And giving China access to these chips while agreeing to push the agreed upon soybean purchases well into next year while the soybeans are sitting in storage and likely rotting makes perfect sense. That's if you like losing. And lets give farmers another tariff induced bailout ($12 Billion) instead of letting them sell the product. TACO Tuesdays now applies to every day of the week. smh
 
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