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Intel will be forced to find a plan B

Daniel Nenni

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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger delivers a speech at the COMPUTEX forum in Taipei

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger delivers a speech at the COMPUTEX forum in Taipei, Taiwan June 4, 2024.

NEW YORK, Aug 26 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Intel’s (INTC.O) in a money-spending fight, and it’s falling short. The company has plowed billions into matching Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (2330.TW) prowess in producing cutting-edge chips. Yet with business slowing, boss Pat Gelsinger has far less firepower. Intel simply can’t keep up.

Once the semiconductor industry’s undisputed leader, Intel now lags TSMC in terms of chip density, cost and power efficiency. As rivals abandoned the vertically integrated design-and-manufacturing model, they benefitted from the Taiwanese firm’s advances, gobbling up market share. The result: Intel is burning cash, and its stock has fallen by half in five years.

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Gelsinger was the chief architect of Intel’s landmark 80486 chip nearly four decades ago, and returned to pull the company out of its technological rut in 2021. He now says that the mission is nearly accomplished, promising that chips coming next year will equal anything made by TSMC on key measures. Perhaps, but that’s only part of the battle. Intel needs to prove it can produce cutting-edge chips in volume, efficiently, and that it can coax external customers to use its manufacturing.

Scaling up production like this - and upgrading it year after year - is immensely costly. TSMC plans to invest $30 billion in 2024. About 80% of this goes to the most advanced semiconductors. That’s about enough for a single new fabrication facility, which costs $25 billion, according to Intel.

The U.S. company doesn’t have to invest quite as much. Executives say that public subsidies and help from co-investors, such as Brookfield, can fill in a quarter of required spending. If so, Intel needs about $19 billion annually just to maintain the same one-new-plant-a-year pace.

Right now, it plans to spend roughly that amount next year. Problem is, Gelsinger has also promised that capital expenditures will equal about a quarter of revenue in the long term. If sales come in at about $75 billion, that leaves enough headroom. But that’s fully a third more than analysts see Intel generating next year, according to LSEG.

Meanwhile, the cost of building plants is only going up. TSMC has fatter operating margins than Intel, and its capital expenditure has averaged 40% of revenue over the past decade. In other words, the two companies are going in opposite directions. Intel has staked its turnaround on two revivals: one in its chip designs, and the other in regaining manufacturing supremacy. If current promises pan out, it will have proven its nous in the former. But with the financial gap only widening, barring a miraculous turnaround, Gelsinger will be forced to rethink the latter.

 
The major problem is the previous overhype. Intel cannot become a major foundry player, build 6 fabs, take leadership on Process technology like Pat committed. Now the overspending has caused financial hardship. It was a good try and if it had worked would have been amazing. BHAGs sometimes become BHAFs.

On the Positive Side (repeat): IF intel had just client group and DC business.... and sold off foundry/manufacturing.... wouldnt it be worth 40-50 a share? why not? Any AI accelerator sales would be bonus.

Plan B is not that bad and was the plan before Pat arrived. Just pull up the old Powerpoint options and move forward.... There are at least 3 solid options for Intels "IBM2.0" that make sense
 
Plan B would inevitably means that there simply will be no leading edge fabs in the US. Without processor sales margins fueling fab capex, Intel Fabs Inc just won’t be able to keep up. And if they do get customers, then what would the point be of splitting the company in the first place?
 
In today's semiconductor manufacturing competition, money is the top factor in staying ahead.

Samsung lost the logic manufacturing battle to TSMC but can still push forward because of its substantial income from memory.

TSMC already has the strongest positive cycle of investment leading to profit, which then fuels further investment.

Intel simply doesn't have the financial resources. Even receiving one CHIPACT a year might not be enough for Intel to keep up.
 
Hindsight is 20/20, but going forward I don’t think there is any “Plan B”. Plan B is just Intel Foundry going to way of Global Foundries and the world being left with a single leading edge fab (assuming Samsung’s woes continue on their trajectory). Intel Products perhaps flourishes, but that’s of way less interest to the industry.

It’s very bad for the industry if Intel can’t pull up from this nosedive and try to stave off the TSMC monopoly. Anyone who thinks they know TSMC now cannot possibly know what a TSMC monopoly looks like 10 years from now… saying there isn’t a good track record for monopolistic businesses is putting it lightly…
 
Plan B would inevitably means that there simply will be no leading edge fabs in the US. Without processor sales margins fueling fab capex, Intel Fabs Inc just won’t be able to keep up. And if they do get customers, then what would the point be of splitting the company in the first place?
If there is no money, why should the US taxpayer be forced to prolong the inevitable? Maybe it’s best for everyone to pull the plug on the Intel fabs and rely on the US based operations that TSMC and Samsung run to produce EUV based nodes.
 
If there is no money, why should the US taxpayer be forced to prolong the inevitable? Maybe it’s best for everyone to pull the plug on the Intel fabs and rely on the US based operations that TSMC and Samsung run to produce EUV based nodes.
Because having an independent leading edge fabs in the US is of national strategic importance. Neither Samsung nor TSMC will place their leading edge processes in the US. All it would take already to disrupt the global economy is a few cruise missiles aimed at fabs from a certain country which has been prevented from using them. With a TSMC total monopoly it would be even at greater risk. Intel failing would be an absolute disaster for America.
 
Because having an independent leading edge fabs in the US is of national strategic importance. Neither Samsung nor TSMC will place their leading edge processes in the US. All it would take already to disrupt the global economy is a few cruise missiles aimed at fabs from a certain country which has been prevented from using them. With a TSMC total monopoly it would be even at greater risk. Intel failing would be an absolute disaster for America.
It sounds like the DOE or DOD should be paying the bills.
 
Because having an independent leading edge fabs in the US is of national strategic importance. Neither Samsung nor TSMC will place their leading edge processes in the US. All it would take already to disrupt the global economy is a few cruise missiles aimed at fabs from a certain country which has been prevented from using them. With a TSMC total monopoly it would be even at greater risk. Intel failing would be an absolute disaster for America.
Samsung has committed to do some research in the new Taylor, TX fab. It’s not ideal but it might be good enough, no?
 
Obviously I am biased, but in my opinion there is no viable plan B. Foundry swims or intel sinks, and I believe a split is nonviable. Currently the market values IF less than the literal market value of its capital assets so any idea of some AMD like oil money sweet heart deal or US nationalization is fantastical. Putting that matter aside for now even if intel gets some unrealistic deal to "spin out the fabs" so what? Does anyone actually think this is what a healthy fabless company looks like?
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QCOM 24.9% op margin (a -8.8% difference to CCG and a 26.9% revenue lead for QCOM)
AMD DCG 26% op margin (a 16.9% difference to DCAI and with only a 7% revenue lead for intel)
BCOM has a 23.8% op margin this quarter (13.5% difference to NEX a 9.6x higher revenue for BCOM)

Intel is already outsourcing almost everything that isn't a Xeon, and they pay market value for products using intel wafers and assembly test so what is the excuse now? Even if you spin out the fabs intel doesn't magically become an NVIDIA. Spinning out doesn't make the products better since intel is already running a TSMC node advantage vs everyone who isn't Apple with faster and larger N3 ramp than any other non Apple firm. While the finances for intel corp get better they still aren't good (much lower revenue and similar op margins in spite of not paying an ARM ;) and a leg to the various IP vendors in licensing fees like BCOM and QCOM do) after a spin out. My opinion is that intel hitting 60/40 again is impossible without keeping the fabs. If intel spins out the fabs, then I view that as intel having committed to GE-ification.
 
@nghanayem

"Intel is already outsourcing almost everything that isn't a Xeon, and they pay market value for products using intel wafers and assembly test so what is the excuse now? Even if you spin out the fabs intel doesn't magically become an NVIDIA. Spinning out doesn't make the products better since intel is already running a TSMC node advantage vs everyone who isn't Apple with faster and larger N3 ramp than any other non Apple firm. "

Excellent points!

Intel has great products and will have great process technologies that are just too expensive due to Intel being Intel. We have seen this plot before
Intel products will be successful by outsourcing. Lunar lake will be awesome and arrow lake looks like replacement for the "Raptor Lake caught fire" product.
very good point on Intel is using the leading edge node at TSMC while other companies are very successful without using leading edge node.
If TSMC is going to have a competitor, then that company needs to be successful at profitable manufacturing.

Again this would have been a lot simpler if Intel had just evolved as planned in late 2020 instead of saying "what do lose billions on? lets focus the company there".

After Intel shows updated roadmap, we can show multiple options that will work very well for Plan B. Obviously Intel is planning to split the company. The "who is more successful, product or process group" question appears to have been decided (At least financially). So its just a matter of which IBM2.0 Option the board chooses.

I am guessing Q3 earnings will have an interesting update (hopefully we dont have to wait for Q4 earnings). Lets see what Intel announces.
 
After Intel shows updated roadmap, we can show multiple options that will work very well for Plan B. Obviously Intel is planning to split the company. The "who is more successful, product or process group" question appears to have been decided (At least financially). So it’s just a matter of which IBM2.0 Option the board chooses.
Enlighten me, which one is more successful? Foundry seems to have the tech but is a new entrant to one of the hardest markets in the world with nearly no customers, and product is lagging but is still the largest in the world customer wise.

Not so clear to me, and so the IBM 2.0 future is equally not clear.
 
Enlighten me, which one is more successful? Foundry seems to have the tech but is a new entrant to one of the hardest markets in the world with nearly no customers, and product is lagging but is still the largest in the world customer wise.

Not so clear to me, and so the IBM 2.0 future is equally not clear.
Oversimplified model:
1) Intel loses 7-10B per year on foundry and manufacturing.
2) Intel has competitive products, leads in revenue in client and Datacenter CPUs and if they were outsourced, they would make lots of money (Per Intel accounting)
3) Therefore: I will say Product is better. If Arrow lake K SKUs starts catching fire, I will retract that comment (and start referring to Intel as Boeing 2.0 :LOL: )

Foundry is not growing as planned, it is not making money and It is not a positive differentiator for Intel. What is the value proposition?

So a good plan B might be to sell it off... or pay someone to take it like IBM did. There are a number of options that meet all the goals for the US and Intel and foundry ecosystem.
 
Oversimplified model:
1) Intel loses 7-10B per year on foundry and manufacturing.
2) Intel has competitive products, leads in revenue in client and Datacenter CPUs and if they were outsourced, they would make lots of money (Per Intel accounting)
3) Therefore: I will say Product is better. If Arrow lake K SKUs starts catching fire, I will retract that comment (and start referring to Intel as Boeing 2.0 :LOL: )

Foundry is not growing as planned, it is not making money and It is not a positive differentiator for Intel. What is the value proposition?

So a good plan B might be to sell it off... or pay someone to take it like IBM did. There are a number of options that meet all the goals for the US and Intel and foundry ecosystem.
What would those options be?
 
Oversimplified model:
1) Intel loses 7-10B per year on foundry and manufacturing.
BUs losing marketshare and overestimating their product demands is clearly the largest contributor here (as the losses were alot more managable when even cost ineffective intel 10nm/i7 was humming along at TSMC scales). Intel Products couldn't get away with this behavior with TSMC. TSMC wouldn't take kindly to building 5 dedicated fabs only for a fabless firm to reneg on two of them. And unlike with IF, the fabless firm would be the one on the hook for their miscalculation.
2) Intel has competitive products, leads in revenue in client and Datacenter CPUs and if they were outsourced, they would make lots of money (Per Intel accounting)
They are already outsourced and there is no indication that the competitive landscape is looking much better than when intel was stuck on i7 vs N5. If anything with the collapse of DCAI you could argue intel products is far weaker than back when they were all intel. Of course this isn't TSMC's fault, but I point it out to illustrate my point. Also on the last call intel called out how Lunar Lake will start dragging margins down even more than MTL already was. All intel's competitors make more money with better margins on TSMC as well as having to pay the added cost of most of their IPs being licenced from third parties. This situation does not indicate to me that products would be a successful fabless firm. Even when you do an intel vs intel comparison how can intel can have better margins on obsolete intel products on obsolete nodes (like ADL/RPL) than chips that are further on the moore's law cost per FET curve (LNL/MTL/ARL) and are technically far more impressive than their old legacy chip designs (just LNL in this case since I view the MTL design as an extension of intel's legacy SOC design just farming out as much of the die area to TSMC as possible)?
3) Therefore: I will say Product is better. If Arrow lake K SKUs starts catching fire, I will retract that comment (and start referring to Intel as Boeing 2.0 :LOL: )
:ROFLMAO: That's good. I like that.
Foundry is not growing as planned, it is not making money and It is not a positive differentiator for Intel. What is the value proposition?

So a good plan B might be to sell it off... or pay someone to take it like IBM did. There are a number of options that meet all the goals for the US and Intel and foundry ecosystem.
Not really. Until breakeven happens IF cannot survive without profits from the wider intel covering the gap. Once that does happen sure it can spin off and maybe it turns into a UMC type story of an ok foundry just with almost all of their business in the near/mid term being intel products. But at that point there is no reason to spin it out since IF only offers upside potential once breakeven (or as Pat called it "escape velocity") is achieved and acts as a margin tailwind and source of revenue growth for the wider intel. TLDR Spin out only is valuable for intel until breakeven occurs. But before breakeven occurs there is nobody with the money who would want to pour in tens of billions for a GF type story but with larger than Samsung scale for the few years before breakeven occurs.
 
@nghanayem

Lets see what happens. The spinoff example IMO is IBM and I think the steps will be similar and the strengths and weaknesses will be similar.

The board is working this and I am sure it will all become clear soon enough.
 
@nghanayem

Lets see what happens. The spinoff example IMO is IBM and I think the steps will be similar and the strengths and weaknesses will be similar.

The board is working this and I am sure it will all become clear soon enough.
This will go down as a huge American business and manufacturing tragedy. I sure hope that “The board is working this” is actually not true.

Again there is no Plan B, only a “Plan: Global Foundries 2.0”.
 
Not really. Until breakeven happens IF cannot survive without profits from the wider intel covering the gap. Once that does happen sure it can spin off and maybe it turns into a UMC type story of an ok foundry just with almost all of their business in the near/mid term being intel products. But at that point there is no reason to spin it out since IF only offers upside potential once breakeven (or as Pat called it "escape velocity") is achieved and acts as a margin tailwind and source of revenue growth for the wider intel. TLDR Spin out only is valuable for intel until breakeven occurs. But before breakeven occurs there is nobody with the money who would want to pour in tens of billions for a GF type story but with larger than Samsung scale for the few years before breakeven occurs.

There is still an advantage to breaking it out. People don't want to work with IF, because they don't want to work with Intel. Also, the org structure could be simplified in the case of a stand alone foundry (it'll be harder for underperformers to hide in a less bloated org)
 
Because having an independent leading edge fabs in the US is of national strategic importance. Neither Samsung nor TSMC will place their leading edge processes in the US. All it would take already to disrupt the global economy is a few cruise missiles aimed at fabs from a certain country which has been prevented from using them. With a TSMC total monopoly it would be even at greater risk. Intel failing would be an absolute disaster for America.

TSMC upcoming fabs in Phoenix are in N5/N4 (5nm or 4nm classes) and N3/N2 (3nm and 2nm classes). They are leading edge processes.

I believe US government agencies, such as DoD, DoE, and Commerce Department, know very well that Intel is not a reliable partner or supplier in the past and in the coming years. While Intel and Pat Geisinger tried hard to convince people that TSMC is not a reliable company to make chips, US government was actually working hard at the same time to to prepare a US semiconductor industry with a weak and depressed Intel. US government does have a plan B except Intel is playing a much smaller role.

Just take a look the Chips Act Award list. Most grant money went to non-Intel companies, Including TSMC, Samsung, SK Hynix, Globalfoundries, and TI, etc. DoD even declined to participate the $3.5 billion "secure enclave" fab project promoted by Intel.
 
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