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    Fab manufacturing questions

    Take EUV, even with uptime <90% it was adopted because it was essential for continued scaling. Getting above 90% and ultimately approaching 95% required new/upgraded versions.
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    No, that isn’t what I was saying.
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    This is a longer conversation than I have time for but simply put.... The technology needs outweigh the manufacturing needs and the technology is harder than any other manufacturing processes on the planet. You have incredibly expensive tools that are immature and therefore are down a lot...
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    NAND flash fab shell designs

    Its not, in fact cleanrooms are sometime on the 5th floor and 8th floor.
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    NAND flash fab shell designs

    It not speculation on my part. Samsung has cleanrooms on two floors in many if not most of their "fabs", there is often a NAND Cleanroom and a DRAM cleanroom. In Pyeongtaek there is P1 with two floors of cleanrooms with NAND and DRAM, P2 has 2 floors of cleanrooms with NAND, DRAM and Logic, P3...
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    NAND flash fab shell designs

    I know it for a fact, if I am posting a rumor or speculation I say so. A lot of these fab have a floor running NAND and a floor running DRAM, some fabs have a mix of DRAM, NAND and Logic between the two floors.
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    NAND flash fab shell designs

    Some of it is building code related, in the US it is hard to design a single level cleanroom that meets the building codes, in Korea Samsung builds multi story buildings with 2 of the levels used as cleanrooms. At least some of their fab buildings are 8 stories tall, that isn't allowed in the...
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    Does the Micron layering technology have value in other semis?

    That is YMTC's buzz word for it, Kioxia calls it CMOS directly bonded to the array (CBA), Samsung will likely have a different name for it when they adopt it. The marketing guys have to earn their pay.
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    Does the Micron layering technology have value in other semis?

    I just saw an article saying Kioxia's new 218 layer process is two bonded wafers.
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    Does the Micron layering technology have value in other semis?

    Stress management is a huge problem and also the yield is better. Not having the memory stack over logic makes stress management easier. Samsung showed it on their roadmap at IEDM a couple year ago. My belief is as we get above 500 layers everyone will go that way.
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    Does the Micron layering technology have value in other semis?

    YMTC uses 2 wafers and likely everyone will migrate to that approach eventually with logic on one wafer and the memory array on the other substrate.
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    Does the Micron layering technology have value in other semis?

    There are multiple approaches to 3D DRAM but the one getting the most attention at the device manufacturers has a stack of layers that are all patterned together. There is an approach where each layer is patterned and then they are bonded together but it is unlikely to be cost effective.
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    Samsung and SK Hynix Memory Production in China Issue

    I am sure they will but it will take time, my point is that the current export controls are creating an immediate issue particularly for SK Hynix.
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    Samsung and SK Hynix Memory Production in China Issue

    I think it will help Micron and Samsung on the DRAM side because it will constrain what SK Hynix can do in China and SK Hynix is also encountering long delays in their Yongin fab complex. Micron is planning new Fabs in the US but currently the majority of their memory is made in Asia.
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    Samsung and SK Hynix Memory Production in China Issue

    Per Digitimes Asia "Samsung, SK Hynix might not be able to produce next-gen memory in China in 3-5 years, warns expert". I find this pretty funny, SK Hynix has a big DRAM plant in China. SK Hynix has already ramped up their 1a DRAM outside of China using EUV, their inability to utilize EUV in...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    Optimizing Factory Performance by Ignizio is a pretty good book but not semiconductor specific and I have seen comments from him that show he doesn't understand the unique aspect of semiconductor manufacturing.
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    "for example: if litho machines are $120M each and etch machines are $10M each and you get approximately the same cycle-time/throughput behavior from 4 litho tools + 20 etch tools = $680M, or 5 litho tools + 12 etch tools = $720M, then you're going to pick the $680M case." I don't think that...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    There are essentially no operators in a 300mm fab, too few to matter. Wafers are all moved in FOUPs by overhead transport systems so idle no operator is a thing of the past, Decisions on what to process are all handled by automation too. I believe unscheduled down time is the biggest issue. It...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    I would also say the state of the art fabs get to mature manufacturing performance in the first year or so and after that improvements are incremental, not "huge".
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    I disagree, a well designed fab will balance the tools across the fab to the greatest extent possible because the "constraint" will move, designing a deliberate constraint under utilizes everything else. How well that can be done is highly dependent on the fab size, the bigger the fab the better...
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