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Will the CHIPS Act make it? Hmm...

Anshuman

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Will the CHIPS Act make through?

Its getting more and more doubtful. Well at least from the macroeconomic perspective.

The inflation is at a four decade high at 9.1.

The Feds have increased the interest rates and might increase them again.

One of the prime reasons cited for the high inflation is the COVID19 ...

You get the flow.

Now lets be the devil's advocate. If the $52B comes into play and fabs are up n runnin in 2 years or so, what could be the impact on inflation/economy?

Apart from the total COVID relief package, has there been another stimulus package that even comes close? NO!

And they say ... if it does not make it before they go on recess in August, its not happenin. (Why?) Next two weeks?!

Thus I say ... hmm what do you think?
 

The Biden administration is open to cutting bait on an expansive China competitiveness bill and encouraging Congress to focus solely on passing some $52 billion for the semiconductor industry before leaving for August recess.

Driving the news: In an interview with Axios, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said the country doesn't have the luxury of waiting for the House and Senate to hash out all the differences on their competing versions of the stalled legislation.

What they're saying: "Cleave off the CHIPS and pass it," Raimondo said, referring to the Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors (CHIPS) for America Act.
  • "There's a real time urgency there, because these chip companies are making their decisions right now about where to expand," she said, while also raising the importance of the Investment Tax Credits, a roughly $10 billion provision that has broad support in both chambers.
  • "Obviously, we want more," she said. "The president supports a robust Bipartisan Innovation Act."
  • Along with deputy defense secretary Kathleen Hicks and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, Raimondo was scheduled to brief senators in a closed-door session at 4pm Wednesday afternoon.
Why it matters: With Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) holding the broader China bill hostage, negotiations between the House and Senate on their dueling legislation have been frozen, with only 12% of their differences ironed out.
  • But on Tuesday, McConnell floated a potential off-ramp and opened the door to just passing the CHIPS funding as a way to get some money out the door quickly. Raimondo seized that opening and plans to make the case to focus on the CHIPS and ITC provisions to lawmakers on Wednesday.
  • "I talked to a dozen lawmakers in the past 24 hours," Raimondo said. "I feel like they are coalescing around the path of [passing] CHIPS immediately and then live to fight another day on the rest of it." Key Senate Democrats like Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) have been pressing for a standalone CHIPS bill since March.
Between the lines: Raimondo, who has taken the lead in pressing Congress to pass bipartisan China legislation, isn't giving up getting a more expansive legislation passed by Congress down the line.
  • "Having said that, we are literally out of time. And the national security risk, as Lloyd Austin and I laid out in our letter today, is immediately significant,” she said.
The big picture: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has made a broader China bill a priority this Congress and had some success last year in passing a bill out of the Senate, 68-32, with 19 Republican votes.
  • President Biden has urged the House and Senate to iron out their differences and send him a finished product.
  • White House officials have also accused McConnell of holding the bill hostage to help the pharmaceutical industry keep its profit margins high.
  • The fate of the bill has taken center stage in the Ohio Senate race, where thousands of jobs are at stake at a potential Intel factory east of Columbus.
Go deeper: Some House Democrats were toying with the idea of passing the Senate bill in order to deliver legislation to Biden before Democrats face voters in November.
  • But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) firmly rejected that approach on Wednesday.
 
US lawmakers do a strategic blunder by attaching a "China bill" tag to CHIPS act.

CHIPS act will not save the America from China, only missiles will.

The idea that USA can overwait the coming war in Asia by building 3-4 more fabs is completely unrealistic. US will need to add 2 extra digits to the CHIPS act for that, and the US is too broke.

The Semiconductor industry is an industry which was born global. It's inherently reliant on world trade, and value being added around the world. The war in Asia, means the entire worldwide semi industry will be damaged irreversibly, including in USA.

US elites jumped to conclusion that chips outage is the worst thing which can happen to them, but the cessation of world trade following that will be way worse, the real nation collapse event for the USA.

The "solution to China" is USA deploying its strongest weapons, and military units to Taiwan, keeping China's sunset as world's factory happen peacefully, and keeping the international trade alive. In the long term, this may, or may not let US semiconductor self-sufficiency recover.


I'm speaking with someone quite high up in the Volkswagen group about possible chips supply disruptions lately, and they lost their marbles when they heard that the War for Ukraine may mean production outages at TSMC due to neon outages. He couldn't have even fathomed that "such insignificant country" can shutdown a trillion dollar industry, but as we know the situation is way worse. One knee-jerk solution Volkswagen's leadership considered is literally building an own fab, but they quickly found out that they will still be impacted by the same events: neon shortage, packaging lines in Asia going belly up, having to import chemicals from Japan, Korea, and consumables from Taiwan, and still be vulnerable to American sanctions if Germany will cross the line antagonising Uncle Sam.
 
Great points Dan and Paul2.

And how will the $50 Billion incentive impact the economy? More spending. And that will be worse for the inflation which is going up n up.

Will the 50Billion take the inflation into the teens? Folks already blame the COVID19 care package for this inflation flare up.

So we might have a few more fabs and gas at ten dollars. hmmm

No right answer, I guess.

 
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CHIPS act is an invalid solution to a defence problem. People attaching security connotation to it are completely misguided, or worse, knowingly malicious.

"Few more fabs" will not let US to overwait the war, and nothing else will. The cessation of international trade will be a nation ending event, with chip fabs, or without them.

US elites who already set their mind in this mode of thinking of "overwaiting" the war as a way to preserve their wealth are delusional, and dangerous to the state.
 
CHIPS act is an invalid solution to a defence problem. People attaching security connotation to it are completely misguided, or worse, knowingly malicious.

"Few more fabs" will not let US to overwait the war, and nothing else will. The cessation of international trade will be a nation ending event, with chip fabs, or without them.

US elites who already set their mind in this mode of thinking of "overwaiting" the war as a way to preserve their wealth are delusional, and dangerous to the state.
If you are about to enter a war you usually build up as many resources as you can before hand.

Chips won't solve everything if Taiwan goes offline but it could reduce the pain a little by reducing the recovery time. (Assuming of course nuclear powers don't cause an extinction event).
 
I'd agree those are reputable sources that lay out the ambiguity surrounding the causes of inflation.

$50b is about $300 per capita in the U.S., so, yeah, it's not insignificant, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to pandemic stimulus money. (NY Times says $5T which is 100x the CHIPS act funding.)

 
re: Inflation, and starting with the supposition that I'm not an economist:
- COVID in 2020 caused (in the US, but also elsewhere) a huge shortage of food and energy, because many food production infrastructures were predicated on delivering food packaged for commercial use instead of retail, and the shutdown of transportation / distribution caused a lot of that to rot. You can look back at stories of farmers turning over crops, dumping milk, etc. So that has been a negative on the supply side, and we still have not seen a full recovery of that two years later.
- Energy costs, and specifically fuel costs for transportation, have been on the rise, and there are several reasons for this, but there has been a sharp look at futures trading, along with "greed" on the part of the major players in the space (Suncor, BP, Shell, Etc). Ultimately energy costs get passed on to consumers through every segment, because of how fuel prices impact transportation prices, which then impact costs of goods. Reduced efficiency at ports, due to COVID safety protocols, is also impacting this as a time-based cost impact to transportation (which then, again gets passed on).
- Other things notable on the food production side, when reading about meat-packing workers etc. is that COVID safety provisions also impact the "efficiency" there, which is causing increased costs. I use quotes in that last part, because a better way might be to say "treating the workers with something like dignity", but the same results are there. You can extend that to many of the service industry workers, production line workers for other sort of food processing, etc. By forcing different shift routines, more spacing on lines, more protective gear (which has a cost, so that gets added), you're doing incremental cost increases on the production side, and this has a knock-on effect to the COGS.
- Forex, though this one seems harder to pin down, when you look at for example the massive crash in Euro/Dollar rates, as well as other currency/USD rates, but just focusing on the former, that since USD is the Petrodollar / reserve currency, a significantly reduced EUR/USD means that the base cost for energy in Europe has gone up significantly. Fuel prices in Germany are much higher when normalizing for $/L than what costs are in the US, and even so people in US are and have been completely freaking out over the price of fuel (they are in Germany too).

Inflation is fundamentally a devaluation of the currency being referenced; a loaf of bread, barrel of oil or bushel of corn is the same physical item that you are exchanging for an IOU, but the value of that IOU has gone down, so you ask for more of them to trade. The rationale for that lies in part with the FED, who have been printing trillions of those IOUs the last several years (since 2008, really), but IMO the one-two punch here is rising energy costs (for several reasons), coupled with the latest housing bubble (which we are absolutely in one, and have been for several years, but made worse with COVID) - it is both supply constrained (impacting commodities) and demand driven (impacting higher-value goods, but also due to scarcity of supply, when talking things like housing, autos, etc).
IMO, the stimulus was less an impact as the massive house-hunting surge from COVID due to WFH mandates. The war in Ukraine has caused a significant spike in energy prices, not because of a lack of production or distribution, but due to the (apparently useless) sanctions placed on Russian exports of food and fuel. If Europe can't buy gas from Russia, it has to buy it from elsewhere, and this drives up the costs not only on them, but also on any of the traditional 'buyers' (like US) for those alternate energy sources (like Mideast, or Venezuela) because the producers cannot, or will not increase their production output to compensate for the increased demand.
 
Don't know how they plan to distribute the fund. There are tons of fabs eligible to this, Intel/GF/Micron/Ti/OnSemi/WolfSeed/SkyWater/Broadcom/Infineon/ST/Tower/ etc. If the money is distributed evenly,each company will probably get $2 B dollars
 
Don't know how they plan to distribute the fund. There are tons of fabs eligible to this, Intel/GF/Micron/Ti/OnSemi/WolfSeed/SkyWater/Broadcom/Infineon/ST/Tower/ etc. If the money is distributed evenly,each company will probably get $2 B dollars

Some semiconductor companies believe they should receive more than others. For Intel, I guess it's shooting on minimum $12 to $15 billion subsidies and tax credit.

$15 billion = $3 billion x 4 fabs (2 in Arizona and 2 in Ohio) + $3 billion (Tax credit and R&D)
 
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