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Trump Suggests Taiwan Should Pay US for Protection

I have read somewhere, that his vp pick is even more extreme on this topic. He's full on "blame NATO expansion" and "nacis in countries russia don't like" etc.. But on other hand, when they mentioned these russian narratives in front of crowd, they received pretty cold reactions, so they might change their narrative, as good demagogues do. After all, "It is just debate" or campaign, and it goes for both parties.

More important are technical aspects. Are You willing to die in some unknown rice field in a battle of town with name, You cant even pronounce? Or do You want them to develop own defense similar to Samsung heavy industries? Or something between? Maybe integration into international system? How can we defend Taiwan, when we can't even say it is sovereign country, and china can use nuclear weapon on their own territory...

We have some lessons from Ukraine. First response of Bidens administration was to give up and evacuate Zelensky. Trump gave them ATGM's back in 2017, which was ideal tool to stop Russian army consisting of tanks and armored vehicles. European socialist keeps talking and meanwhile North korea alone sent more shells than NATO combined.
 
Trump in unbelievably stupid and so are his voters. At this point Trump and his cronies effectively operate as a russian 5th column in this country. Everything these idiots suggest would directly benefit Russia or the nations enemies.
 
Elon Musk needs high end chips in every part of his empire. Contributing 45 million a month to the campaign, he will have a direct line to Trump. I have no doubt if he calls, Trump will answer. It is no doubt his concerns will be carefully listened to. If China goes after Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines and many other countries will be next. An alliance of all Chinese targets would be the best way to go, spreading the cost on our side and raising it dramatically for the Chinese. Forming an alliance to stretch the Chinese threat to the breaking point is the best way to go.
 
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Elon Musk needs high end chips in every part of his empire. Contributing 45 million a month to the campaign, he will have a direct line to Trump. I have no doubt if he calls, Trump will answer. It is no doubt his concerns will be carefully listened to. If China goes after Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines and many other countries will be next. An alliance of all Chinese targets would be the best way to go, spreading the cost on our side and raising it dramatically for the Chinese. Forming an alliance to stretch the Chinese threat to the breaking point is the best way to go.
Trump and musk do not act in the nations interest. Both men have always been solely about themselves at every turn. Musk sucks up to the CCP because of Teslas exposure to the Chinese market. I have no doubt both will make decisions only in their own self interest at the expense of all others. That much you can count on.
 
Trump and musk do not act in the nations interest. Both men have always been solely about themselves at every turn. Musk sucks up to the CCP because of Teslas exposure to the Chinese market. I have no doubt both will make decisions only in their own self interest at the expense of all others. That much you can count on.
Sadly, most of our politicians, including Biden, represent themselves, it's just human nature. Alliances and making people think about mutual interests is the way to go. War is the ultimate waste of resources and the last refuge of the incompetent. As Winston Churchill said "Talk, talk, talk is better than war, war, war".
 
According to Trump, Taiwan “doesn’t give us anything”. Maybe if they were a good locale for luxury-branded real estate and golf resorts he would value Taiwan more.
 
It seems to be a VP race since neither President will finish the term. Hopefully Biden changes VPs otherwise it will be Trump, my opinion.
If the democrats ran an empty suit they'd win in a landslide. At least Biden has competent advisors while trump is surrounded by equally braindead sycophants
 
If the democrats ran an empty suit they'd win in a landslide. At least Biden has competent advisors while trump is surrounded by equally braindead sycophants

Thus the problem with politics, you can't have a rational discussion without name calling. The semiconductor industry is filled with intelligent people who solve the most complex problems. Yet these same people cannot discuss politics in a reasonable manner? It truly is baffling but it is clear why problems with our political system persist.
 
If the democrats ran an empty suit they'd win in a landslide. At least Biden has competent advisors while trump is surrounded by equally braindead sycophants
It would be nice if Biden would step down and let the Democrats run someone who is intelligent and diplomatic, Kamala should not even be an option.
 
If the democrats ran an empty suit they'd win in a landslide. At least Biden has competent advisors while trump is surrounded by equally braindead sycophants
Given Biden’s current probability of winning I question his advisors. You aren’t in the race to show, you are in it for the US and not for Biden.
 
This is funny. If you ask Taiwanese people, they already feel like they are paying protection money. Taiwan buys U.S. military hardware, and often it is second-hand and a generation or two old, unlike Israel, which often gets the latest U.S. military hardware for free. :D
Normally I despise political threads like this one on this site, but I think you've indirectly asked some important questions and relayed some insightful observations.

First of all, by US law, Taiwan is not an independent country. The lawful US policy is called "One China", and was passed by Congress in 1979. This limits the options the US has in supporting Taiwan militarily. Direct military aid from the US exists, but in the form of support and services, not in the direct transfer of weapons systems, though the US does sell weapons to Taiwan. The US is intimidated by upsetting the Chinese, and, let's face it, the US is probably getting away with more military aid to Taiwan than the Chinese like. (Imagine if the Chinese sold weapons to Texas...) And it is true, these US-sourced weapons are not the latest hardware, like F16 jets for Taiwan versus F35 jets for Israel. The US government has been open about the reasoning for this difference. The threat of hardware like F35s falling into adversary hands is considered very low in Israel, but it is considered likely that if Taiwan was invaded by China, state of the art US weapons would be captured by the Chinese. So, the policy is no advanced weapons for Taiwan.

You probably know this, but the official US policy is NOT supportive of independence for Taiwan. It's right there on the US State Department web pages. No one in the US wants to engage China militarily, so supporting independence is probably not possible.

As for Trump's statement about Taiwan, it fits the pattern of his past thinking. Trump appears to be entirely transactional, meaning that each interaction (with either people or countries) is measured by comparative contributions and loyalty. He dislikes being taken advantage of, meaning, in this case, his view that the US contribution to Taiwan's defense is more risky and expensive than Taiwan's contribution. Long term alliances seem to mean nothing to him, as he proved by his adversarial relationships with NATO countries during his presidential administration. It seems his view, which is probably the view of his close advisors, Taiwan is not serious about its own defense, as measured by defense spending (only ~2.5% of GDP for Taiwan) and the quality of its armed forces (which is considered relatively poor for a nation under severe and ongoing threats). This view is typical of conservative think-tank statements. So Trump's view is, if you want the US to defend you while you coast along, pay up. I'm not defending his view, I strongly believe in the value of allies, but his position (and I suspect those of his advisors) is obvious.

Trump has also proven in the past that he cares little about what is said, only about what is done. And he likes to annoy everyone, especially US allies, by essentially negotiating in the international press, rather than with diplomacy behind closed doors. I think the latter is more appropriate myself, but Trump never asks for my opinion...

Regarding the silly Trump claim that Taiwan stole the US chip manufacturing industry, he said similar things about the German auto industry during his administration and threatened tariffs. It all sounds so typical of his behavior: negotiation in the press complete with implied threats and insults. Everything he says seems like it's always a negotiating position. I find it tiring, but entirely predictable.
 
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