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"The Path Forward: Digital Innovation with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger - The Washington Post" https://www.washingtonpost.com/wash...ital-innovation-with-intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger/
Full interview video:
My thoughts:
1. Mr. Gelsinger said when Covid-19 stopped automakers making cars, semiconductor factories consequently stopped too. This is far from the truth.
Semiconductor manufacturers did not stop their business during the pandemic. Actually they are doing very well. Some of the fabs experiencing interruption were caused by fire or weather related power outage.
2. Mr. Gelsinger said building a new fab in "Asia" is 30% cheaper than in US and 50% cheaper in China than in US.
I'm not sure his estimate is close to the real situation. First, the super majority of cost of building a fab are equipments cost. And most of those equipments are coming from the same US, Japanese, and European manufacturers. How can a new Intel US fab pays a lot more for the same equipment than Samsung in Korea and TSMC in Taiwan? Unless those fab equipment manufacturers such as Applied Materials (US), LAM Research (US), KLA Tencor (US), ASML (Dutch), and Tokyo Electron (Japan) treat Intel as a second tier customer and charge Intel higher prices? If that's the case, no matter where Intel is going to build a new fab, Intel's equipment procurement cost will be higher.
Then there are the land, building materials, water, electricity, and other utility cost. Again US is very often cheaper if not the cheapest one compare to Taiwan and South Korea. On the other hand, due to PRC's heavy subsidies, the fab building construction cost might be much cheaper in China. But can that lead to a 50% total cost reduction to build a new leading edge fab in China? I doubt it.
Additionally, Intel has easy access to super cheap financial resources in US and around the world. There is no way to cost Intel paying 30% more to build a state of the art fab than TSMC and Samsung do.
It's a different subject if Mr. Gelsinger really meant to "operate" a leading edge fab in US is 30% to 50% more expensive than other places in the world. But does that mean Intel needs long term and continuous subsidies to make up the difference? It makes sense for Washington to do so if it's for national security related products. But for consumer products, is it sustainable?
3. In the interview Mr. Gelsinger stated Intel is looking for a US site to build a leading edge fab. With the two new Arizona fabs, a new European fab, and now one more US fab, there are four fabs on the horizon. Does Intel build their capacity based on customers' demand or on speculation? If it's based on speculations, it can become a very expensive Las Vegas exercise.
Full interview video:
My thoughts:
1. Mr. Gelsinger said when Covid-19 stopped automakers making cars, semiconductor factories consequently stopped too. This is far from the truth.
Semiconductor manufacturers did not stop their business during the pandemic. Actually they are doing very well. Some of the fabs experiencing interruption were caused by fire or weather related power outage.
2. Mr. Gelsinger said building a new fab in "Asia" is 30% cheaper than in US and 50% cheaper in China than in US.
I'm not sure his estimate is close to the real situation. First, the super majority of cost of building a fab are equipments cost. And most of those equipments are coming from the same US, Japanese, and European manufacturers. How can a new Intel US fab pays a lot more for the same equipment than Samsung in Korea and TSMC in Taiwan? Unless those fab equipment manufacturers such as Applied Materials (US), LAM Research (US), KLA Tencor (US), ASML (Dutch), and Tokyo Electron (Japan) treat Intel as a second tier customer and charge Intel higher prices? If that's the case, no matter where Intel is going to build a new fab, Intel's equipment procurement cost will be higher.
Then there are the land, building materials, water, electricity, and other utility cost. Again US is very often cheaper if not the cheapest one compare to Taiwan and South Korea. On the other hand, due to PRC's heavy subsidies, the fab building construction cost might be much cheaper in China. But can that lead to a 50% total cost reduction to build a new leading edge fab in China? I doubt it.
Additionally, Intel has easy access to super cheap financial resources in US and around the world. There is no way to cost Intel paying 30% more to build a state of the art fab than TSMC and Samsung do.
It's a different subject if Mr. Gelsinger really meant to "operate" a leading edge fab in US is 30% to 50% more expensive than other places in the world. But does that mean Intel needs long term and continuous subsidies to make up the difference? It makes sense for Washington to do so if it's for national security related products. But for consumer products, is it sustainable?
3. In the interview Mr. Gelsinger stated Intel is looking for a US site to build a leading edge fab. With the two new Arizona fabs, a new European fab, and now one more US fab, there are four fabs on the horizon. Does Intel build their capacity based on customers' demand or on speculation? If it's based on speculations, it can become a very expensive Las Vegas exercise.
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