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SMIC Q3 2024 Results

samwilde

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Revenue was $2,171 million
– Up 14.2% QoQ from $1,901 million in 2Q24
– Up 34.0% YoY from $1,621 million in 3Q23

Gross margin was 20.5%
– Compared to 13.9% in 2Q24
– Compared to 19.8% in 3Q23

Profit from operations was $170 million
– Compared to $87 million in 2Q24
– Compared to $87 million in 3Q23

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TSMC is officially killing it on gross margin. Completely understandable that SMIC US business is shrinking but, at the same time, TSMC China business is growing?

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TSMC has a de facto monopoly on high density processes and lots of clients. SMIC is also taking market share to fill its fabs so they had to lower prices. If anything it is a good sign their gross margins are recovering.

According to your table net revenue share in China for TSMC has shrank year on year. But probably not on absolute values.
 
TSMC has a de facto monopoly on high density processes and lots of clients. SMIC is also taking market share to fill its fabs so they had to lower prices. If anything it is a good sign their gross margins are recovering.

According to your table net revenue share in China for TSMC has shrank year on year. But probably not on absolute values.
I'd be interested to know if the actual (i.e. operating) profit is positive at gross margins of 14 to 20%. For context, TSMC gross marging appears to be around 53% (which we can expect to be significantly higher) and Global Foundries around 25%.
 
TSMC has a de facto monopoly on high density processes and lots of clients. SMIC is also taking market share to fill its fabs so they had to lower prices. If anything it is a good sign their gross margins are recovering.

According to your table net revenue share in China for TSMC has shrank year on year. But probably not on absolute values.

The table is from TSMC Q3 2024 management report page #2:

 

Tech war: China's top chip foundry SMIC posts record revenue despite US sanction warning​


The Shanghai-based chipmaker reported a 34 per cent year-on-year increase in third-quarter revenue to US$2.17 billion

China's top chip foundry, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC), on Thursday posted record quarterly revenue on the back of strong domestic demand for "legacy chips".

The Shanghai-based chipmaker said its third-quarter revenue rose 34 per cent from a year earlier to US$2.17 billion.

Net profit for the quarter reached US$148.8 million, up 58.3 per cent from a year earlier.

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"The company achieved for the first time more than US$2 billion in quarterly revenue during the third quarter, representing a record high," SMIC said in a statement on Thursday.

The strong results show how SMIC continues to lead the domestic market in advanced processes for semiconductor production, while also remaining the only fab operator on the mainland that can process 7-nanometre chips.

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People walk past the front gate of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp's fabrication facility in Shanghai. Photo: EPA-EFE alt=People walk past the front gate of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp's fabrication facility in Shanghai. Photo: EPA-EFE>

The chipmaker shipped a total of 2,122,266 eight-inch equivalent wafers last quarter, as its capacity utilisation rate - a measure of semiconductor fabrication activity - rose to 90.4 per cent, the company's highest reading over the past six quarters. Its monthly capacity increased to 844,250 eight-inch equivalent wafers in the third quarter.

Revenue from Chinese customers also increased steadily over the past few quarters, with 86.6 per cent of revenue generated from mainland-based clients in the past quarter.

SMIC's Hong Kong-listed shares closed up 4.83 per cent to HK$28.2 on Thursday.

The firm applied so-called multiple-patterning technology to make Huawei Technologies' Kirin 9000s chipset with its second-generation 7nm process, using existing chipmaking equipment from ASML.

These chipsets inside Huawei's Mate 60-series smartphones marked a breakthrough for China's advanced chipmaking efforts, angering the US government and igniting speculation about the effectiveness of Washington's curbs on the country's vast technology sector.

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Workers seen at a cleanroom inside one of the chip-fabrication plants operated by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. Photo: SMIC alt=Workers seen at a cleanroom inside one of the chip-fabrication plants operated by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. Photo: SMIC>

Washington added SMIC to the US trade blacklist in December 2020, three months after the US applied a blanket ban on Huawei's access to global foundry services. Following the US sanctions, SMIC was forced to cut ties with Huawei.

Following Donald Trump's win in the US presidential elections, most analysts believe his administration will not loosen US tech export controls on China.
"The consensus view is that Trump will step up controls on China's technology sector," said Wang Jiping, a vice-president at research firm IDC China. "But this doesn't rule out possibilities that some cooperation could occur."

Still, US lawmakers have intensified calls for a further crackdown on SMIC. Michael McCaul, chair of the US House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs Committee, called on the US Department of Commerce to check up on SMIC's facilities and find out whether the company is illegally producing chips for Huawei, according to a Reuters report on Tuesday.

Over the past few years, SMIC has pivoted its business to domestic customers and suppliers. It has adopted a test-and-trial strategy in terms of buying equipment, which has allowed domestic semiconductor tools makers such as Naura Technology Group more opportunities to become a supplier for its production lines.

Hua Hong Semiconductor, another Chinese maker of legacy chips, on Thursday said its third-quarter revenue was down 7.4 per cent from a year earlier to US$523.6 million, citing a drop in the average selling price of products. Its net profit, however, shot up 222 per cent to US$44.8 million, according to a company statement.

Hua Hong's Hong Kong-listed shares closed up 3.3 per cent to HK$23.2 on Thursday.

China's output of integrated circuits - a broad measure of semiconductor products - expanded 26 per cent to 315.6 billion units in the first three quarters of 2024, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

 
Hua Hong should be filling a brand new ~100,000 wpm 40nm gigafab at Wuxi right now. Their second on that site.
Hua Hong bet their previous gigafab on 55nm but other companies expanding in China at a similar node mean competition is fierce and that is why the ASP went down.

SMIC is focused on 28nm expansion for which there was less competition inside China. This is used in MCUs for all sorts of appliances.

After China's announcement of a 65nm DUV lithography machine this year I expect them to have their own immersion lithography machine over the next two years. So even if the US does sanction them I expect the impact to be time limited.
China will also likely fight back with export bans on strategic materials. And I do not mean just rare earths.
 
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SMIC Capacity utilisation

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Is this 70% utilisation seems the norm for the mature FABS?

Surely unsustainable and some consolidation is needed?

During the pandemic shortage foundries built out mature capacity so I would not expect those fabs to be full again anytime soon. And now with China building out CMOS nodes it will get even worse. China has been buying semiconductor equipment at a record rate and at some point in time they will be in HVM.
 
During the pandemic shortage foundries built out mature capacity so I would not expect those fabs to be full again anytime soon. And now with China building out CMOS nodes it will get even worse. China has been buying semiconductor equipment at a record rate and at some point in time they will be in HVM.

Will the Chinese FABS be at max utilisation?

My point was surely there is too much much capacity coming on line.

India havent even got started yet.

Who or what is going to soak up this looming capacity?
 
I'm a bit confused as their Q3 report said they were at 90.4% utilization. Did the add more capacity at the end of Q3 and see a huge drop for Q4 ??
I have used Google Translate and assuming this is correct , the CEO SMIC is not painting particularly.rosy picture.

"He said that many of the orders currently being processed by SMIC are still from last year. After digesting this batch of orders this year, there will not be many orders left for next year. Therefore, from the perspective of revenue, this year will be the peak of incremental growth, and there will still be incremental growth in 2025, but the incremental growth will not be as good as this year. ”
 
I'm a bit confused as their Q3 report said they were at 90.4% utilization. Did the add more capacity at the end of Q3 and see a huge drop for Q4 ??

The picture above is a misinterpretion of Mr Zhao's original sentence.

Mr Zhao's original sentence “产业要实现恢复,全行业产能利用率要在85%以上。而今年全行业平均产能利用率仅为70%”,translate to "If the (fab)industry were to recover,the average utilization rate for the whole industry should be above 85%,but this year the average utilization rate for the whole industry is only 70%"

You see he was referring to “the whole (fab)industry”,rather than SMIC. SMIC is doing better than industry average.
 
I put the SMIC capacity utilization slide from their Q3 2024 presentation above at #1.
SMIC have a capacity utilization rate of 90.4%.
 
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