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Samsung giving up on Exynos? Shutting down 4 nm, 5 nm, and 7 nm manufacturing facilities due to poor demand

Daniel Nenni

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Samsung Electronics is reportedly scaling back operations at its semiconductor foundry facilities, specifically targeting its 4 nm, 5 nm, and 7 nm production lines due to weak demand. This decision comes in light of significant financial losses, estimated to be in the tens of billions of won during the third quarter of this year, as the company seeks to reduce costs and streamline operations

Samsung Exynos Chipset


According to industry sources, Samsung has already shut down over 30% of its production capacity of the above mentioned process nodes on its Pyeongtaek campus, with plans to increase this to nearly 50% by the end of the year.

Samsung Foundry is reportedly facing significant losses​

According to South Korean publication ChosunMedia, the semiconductor division has struggled to secure sufficient mass production orders from major tech companies like Nvidia, AMD, and Qualcomm, leading to a reported deficit of 1 trillion won (roughly USD 724 million) in the last quarter. In an effort to minimize expenses, including electricity costs, the company is opting to turn off production equipment rather than maintaining idle operations.

Semiconductor-wafer.jpg


This move reflects a broader industry trend, particularly as lower-than-expected orders from Chinese fabless semiconductor companies have affected production volumes in the 4 and 5 nm processes.

Increased U.S. regulations on semiconductor exports to China have prompted these companies to delay projects, exacerbating the situation for Samsung’s foundry business.

Experts warn that these shutdowns could weaken Samsung’s competitive position in the semiconductor market. As Samsung reallocates resources to its memory division, which has historically been more profitable, its foundry business may fall behind rivals like TSMC. Professor Lee Jong-hwan of Sangmyung University cautioned that this gap could hinder Samsung’s ability to catch up once market conditions improve.

Samsung itself is opting for more Snapdragon chips​

Amidst these challenges in the foundry sector, Samsung appears to be pivoting away from its in-house Exynos chips in favor of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon processors. Reports indicate that the upcoming Galaxy S25 series may feature the Dimensity 9400 instead of the Exynos 2500. This shift suggests that Samsung is struggling to meet performance and profitability expectations with its Exynos line, leading to an increased reliance on Qualcomm’s offerings, even in home appliances where AI features are becoming essential.

 
Catastrophic. And then people think Intel is doing bad.
Samsung clearly did not do enough to attract new customers or fix their yield issues.

I wonder what will happen to IBM's Tellum II in light of this.
 
Samsung Electronics is reportedly scaling back operations at its semiconductor foundry facilities, specifically targeting its 4 nm, 5 nm, and 7 nm production lines due to weak demand. This decision comes in light of significant financial losses, estimated to be in the tens of billions of won during the third quarter of this year, as the company seeks to reduce costs and streamline operations

Samsung Exynos Chipset


According to industry sources, Samsung has already shut down over 30% of its production capacity of the above mentioned process nodes on its Pyeongtaek campus, with plans to increase this to nearly 50% by the end of the year.

Samsung Foundry is reportedly facing significant losses​

According to South Korean publication ChosunMedia, the semiconductor division has struggled to secure sufficient mass production orders from major tech companies like Nvidia, AMD, and Qualcomm, leading to a reported deficit of 1 trillion won (roughly USD 724 million) in the last quarter. In an effort to minimize expenses, including electricity costs, the company is opting to turn off production equipment rather than maintaining idle operations.

Semiconductor-wafer.jpg


This move reflects a broader industry trend, particularly as lower-than-expected orders from Chinese fabless semiconductor companies have affected production volumes in the 4 and 5 nm processes.

Increased U.S. regulations on semiconductor exports to China have prompted these companies to delay projects, exacerbating the situation for Samsung’s foundry business.

Experts warn that these shutdowns could weaken Samsung’s competitive position in the semiconductor market. As Samsung reallocates resources to its memory division, which has historically been more profitable, its foundry business may fall behind rivals like TSMC. Professor Lee Jong-hwan of Sangmyung University cautioned that this gap could hinder Samsung’s ability to catch up once market conditions improve.

Samsung itself is opting for more Snapdragon chips​

Amidst these challenges in the foundry sector, Samsung appears to be pivoting away from its in-house Exynos chips in favor of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon processors. Reports indicate that the upcoming Galaxy S25 series may feature the Dimensity 9400 instead of the Exynos 2500. This shift suggests that Samsung is struggling to meet performance and profitability expectations with its Exynos line, leading to an increased reliance on Qualcomm’s offerings, even in home appliances where AI features are becoming essential.


"Amidst these challenges in the foundry sector, Samsung appears to be pivoting away from its in-house Exynos chips in favor of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon processors. Reports indicate that the upcoming Galaxy S25 series may feature the Dimensity 9400 instead of the Exynos 2500. This shift suggests that Samsung is struggling to meet performance and profitability expectations with its Exynos line, leading to an increased reliance on Qualcomm’s offerings, even in home appliances where AI features are becoming essential."


All Dimensity series of chips are from MediaTek, not Qualcomm.
 
Agreed. Intel is killing it compared to Samsung. I really hope Samsung uses Intel Foundry for GAA.

It's probably easier for Intel to get TSMC's CoWos packaging outsourcing deal than to receive Exynos foundry contract at Intel Foundry. Samsung Foundry and Intel Foundry both have the utilization concern.
 
Wonder what the "trickle down" effect will be?
TSMC surely cant write for everyone. If all this work go to TSMC.
Will some of the 2nd n 3rd tier FABS get some business from those getting squeezed out the bottom of TSMC as the more mature nodes get pushed out potentially?
 
Catastrophic. And then people think Intel is doing bad.
Samsung clearly did not do enough to attract new customers or fix their yield issues.

I wonder what will happen to IBM's Tellum II in light of this.

IBM and Intel have a relationship going back to the PC days. Maybe IBM will go to Intel for GAA.

 
To be perfectly honest IBM and Intel did not have a good relationship after Intel started supplying their processors to the PC clone market. IBM balked at Itanium as well, rightly continuing PowerPC development. Samsung, IBM, and GlobalFoundries used to collaborate on process development as an hedge against Intel. That is probably why they went with Samsung.
But I think enough time has passed that IBM isn't as concerned with their past baggage with Intel anymore. Indeed I agree with you and think IBM is a likely client for Intel foundry.
 
To be perfectly honest IBM and Intel did not have a good relationship after Intel started supplying their processors to the PC clone market. IBM balked at Itanium as well, rightly continuing PowerPC development. Samsung, IBM, and GlobalFoundries used to collaborate on process development as an hedge against Intel. That is probably why they went with Samsung.
But I think enough time has passed that IBM isn't as concerned with their past baggage with Intel anymore. Indeed I agree with you and think IBM is a likely client for Intel foundry.
But wait. IBM is supplying Rapidus with a great 2nm GAA process. Surely IBM will use that process for ALL of its products.
 
So how do Samsung Financials for foundry compare to Intels Financials for foundry? The numbers for Intel internal and external are pretty challenging

I do not believe Samsung has transparent P&Ls for the foundry business. Samsung also includes Samsung as their biggest customer so the wafer pricing is questionable. Samsung made a good amount of money on 14nm and 7nm and some money on 5nm (yield problems) but 10nm and 3nm were big losses due to yield issues. As the least trusted foundry Samsung is now scaling back CAPEX. The NOT TSMC business is Intel's to lose right now.

Just do not call Samsung's foundry strategy IDONTKNOW 2.0 otherwise you may have legal problems. :ROFLMAO:
 
Who is using Samsung for < 7nm node?

Samsung 7nm was a successful node, right after the 10nm disaster. QCOM and Nvidia used it I believe. IBM and others. TSMC went from N7 (no EUV) to N6 (EUV) pretty quickly as a result to get market share back.
 
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