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Media: Apple VP Johny Srouji has received an offer from Intel to lead the company

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Media: Apple VP Johny Srouji has received an offer from Intel to lead the company


Last week it became known that Intel CEO Patrick Gelsinger is leaving his post after 45 years at the company.
At the moment the Intel board of directors is searching for a new head and it was reported that this post was offered to Apple's vice president of hardware technology Johny Srouji.

Here's What We Know​

As it became known, Intel is interested in Srouji to lead the company. Moreover, he had already received a similar offer in 2019 when Intel's previous head Brian Krzanich left the company. But back then, Srouji said that he was "not seriously considering the post" as he was engrossed in working on Apple's first Silicon chips for Mac computers.

It's not yet known what kind of response Johnny Srouji will give Intel, but a positive decision seems unlikely, as Apple is now at its peak and preparing to launch ambitious products of its own: A 5G modem and a new HomePod with a 7-inch OLED screen, and Srouji is at the heart of the process.



 
I can only imagine what the pitch must be.

"We know you're working for a company that has a cult like following, ever growing revenue, and a strong trajectory ahead, but instead we think you might be interested in helping turn this disaster around that we've hired and fired 3 CEOs for. Also, we need you to lay off a lot of people on day 1". is probably not the wording they're using.
 
I can only imagine what the pitch must be.

"We know you're working for a company that has a cult like following, ever growing revenue, and a strong trajectory ahead, but instead we think you might be interested in helping turn this disaster around that we've hired and fired 3 CEOs for. Also, we need you to lay off a lot of people on day 1". is probably not the wording they're using.

Hopefully they start with: We will pay you $100M...
 
Sounds like the board is all in on a product focused CEO, and were unsatisfied with Pat’s fab focus.
If Srouji becomes the CEO, I assume the fab employees will lose their jobs because Srouji is used to working with a world class foundry and won’t settle with a failing internal fab.
 
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Hopefully they start with: We will pay you $100M...

It likely requires more than $100 million. In 2017, Johny Srouji earned $24 million a year in salary, stock options, and other compensation at Apple. That year, he was the second-highest-paid employee at Apple, surpassed only by CEO Tim Cook. He likely receives significantly higher compensation now because Apple has performed well since 2017.
 
If Srouji becomes the CEO, I assume the fab employees will lose their jobs because Srouji is used to working with a world class foundry and won’t settle with a failing internal fab.
We don't know that the fab is still failing or not cause now it seems design is the problem even with TSMC node
 
It likely requires more than $100 million. In 2017, Johny Srouji earned $24 million a year in salary, stock options, and other compensation at Apple. That year, he was the second-highest-paid employee at Apple, surpassed only by CEO Tim Cook. He likely receives significantly higher compensation now because Apple has performed well since 2017.
Intels share a better value if he can do a good job Intels share are at around $20 it used to be ~$45-50 meanwhile Apple is at all time high so if he thinks he can turn around Intel it would be 2.5x if he returns intel to previous market cap that includes he can correct Intel.
This is not a financial advice and i am not a financial advisor in any way shape or form
 
Intels share a better value if he can do a good job Intels share are at around $20 it used to be ~$45-50 meanwhile Apple is at all time high so if he thinks he can turn around Intel it would be 2.5x if he returns intel to previous market cap that includes he can correct Intel.
This is not a financial advice and i am not a financial advisor in any way shape or form
Maybe a pay package like Elon's
 
The worst thing is that design also takes many year for the end product to shipping. Regardless of what they do, the sign of coming back seem to be post-2026
I am pretty sure design changes were made when Pat came he cancelled Royal Cove and move forward a Unified Core to effectively manage resources to unify both P and E cores.
Panther Lake alongside Clearwater forest should tell us about the CPU designs in 2H25
 
We don't know that the fab is still failing or not cause now it seems design is the problem even with TSMC node
We'll know for sure around Sept-Oct 2025 with Panther Lake's launch. (Core Ultra 300 series).

Panther Lake "powered on and booted an OS" in early August this year, and now reports are Panther Lake samples are in customers hands.

It'll need to compete with both Lunar Lake (launched) and Arrow Lake mobile (Q1 launch? on TSMC N3). There are some rumors indicating Panther Lake might also come to desktop (with "Arrow Lake refresh" being cancelled).

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Bringing in a fabless guy, my hope is that he does what needs to be done and splits the company.
 
He spent half of his career at Intel and was part of the Apple team that signed the original TSMC deal. My guess is that it would be a net positive for TSMC and yes Intel will probably be fabless.

Exciting times!
Day 1:

Srouji: how much do your wafers cost? What??? thats the Price we pay TSMC for N2

CFO: we will have negative gross margin until 2031, we lose money on every wafer but plan to make it up on volume.

Srouji: "why are you doing this. What is competitive advantage?"

CFO: "Because we think having an internal process about as good as TSMC is worth RnD expense of 30B per year.
Plus we can sell wafers that cost more. People are willing to pay more to buy from a company that developed the 4004, i860, Itanium, WiMax, Optane.
... Cost isnt a big deal .... nVidia can afford it... those guys got tons of money!
In manufacturing, cost doesnt matter much. People want American Fabs....

Srouji: "why don't you just buy from TSMC plant in Arizona Like Apple will?"

CFO: "TSMC has a plant in Arizona that is running wafers??? Like what... 90nm or Automotive ??? "


later in week:
Srouji: "Hi Tim.... its Johny.... I'm sorry.... I made a mistake.... can i come back? PLEEEEAAAASSE????"
 
Day 1:

Srouji: how much do your wafers cost? What??? thats the Price we pay TSMC for N2

CFO: we will have negative gross margin until 2031, we lose money on every wafer but plan to make it up on volume.

Srouji: "why are you doing this. What is competitive advantage?"

CFO: "Because we think having an internal process about as good as TSMC is worth RnD expense of 30B per year.
Plus we can sell wafers that cost more. People are willing to pay more to buy from a company that developed the 4004, i860, Itanium, WiMax, Optane.
... Cost isnt a big deal .... nVidia can afford it... those guys got tons of money!
In manufacturing, cost doesnt matter much. People want American Fabs....

Srouji: "why don't you just buy from TSMC plant in Arizona Like Apple will?"

CFO: "TSMC has a plant in Arizona that is running wafers??? Like what... 90nm or Automotive ??? "


later in week:
Srouji: "Hi Tim.... its Johny.... I'm sorry.... I made a mistake.... can i come back? PLEEEEAAAASSE????"
Second scenario
Hey tim Johny here i got access to bunch of US Fabs think we can make something on this in the name of using intel and ask government for 💰
 
Second scenario
Hey tim Johny here i got access to bunch of US Fabs think we can make something on this in the name of using intel and ask government for 💰
Everyone has access to Intel Fabs. They need loadings ASAP. Most companies are waiting to see if 18A ramps and then they will decide.

Now, if the government PAYS companies to run chips at Intel, that might help IFS hit the current plan.

"a 500 wafer gift card for Christmas" or "Buy 1, Get 1 free coupon". Both are a great stocking stuffer for your favorite Fabless business.
 
Remember, 3.5 years ago, Intel had zero EUV nodes. Back then, many said Pat's plan was crazy and Intel would never even get Intel 4 to work. But Intel 4, and Intel 3 are yielding just fine. 18A is inches from the finish line. From a technological standpoint, Pat's plan has worked. It sounds like 18A is healthy. Over the last 2 weeks, there was a media circus about 18A failing yields. I think even some on the Intel board were fooled. But the articles in this circus appear to have been written by people who know nothing about the interplay between defect density, chip size and yield. In some cases it felt like the articles were deliberately misleading. Even Pat, post "retirement", felt compelled to speak up and set the record straight.

The day Pat retired, TSMC stock jumped 5%. TSMC would like nothing more than for IFS to fail. TSMC has gone uncontested now for nearly a decade. IFS is the biggest threat to TSMC's dominance and they know it. Do people really want just one leading edge fab in the world? A new Taiwan law requires TSMC (and in theory any other Taiwan company) to keep leading edge fab in Taiwan. So, TSMC Arizona will NOT be leading edge, by law, despite the wink and nod they gave to the CHIPS act politicians. CHIPs requires Intel to retain 50.1% of foundry. So if Intel jettisons its foundry, INTC would give up $8B in direct funding, $3B in DoD contracts, and ~$20B in tax incentives. It's not clear to me how Intel would even get rid of Foundry. Would they really give up $30B+ ? Would the buyer get the CHIPs money? Would MSFT, Amazon, MediaTek, and others back out of their deals if there is a new owner? What about the funding deals with Brookfied and Apollo? If IFS is so bad, why would anyone want to buy it? But if it holds promise, why sell it?

IFS has gotten the technology part right: 18A, backside power, they have two ASML high NA tools up and running and are developing new nodes with them ahead of anyone, their advanced packaging is also impressive. Post 18A, IFS should have a clear jump on high NA nodes. IFS just needs to convert all this new technology into financial results...which of course is very challenging. IMO, some big names need to step up here: Apple, Nvidia, Meta, etc... Throw $5-10 billion each at IFS, it's pocket change for them. In return, they all get a stake in a 2nd source leading edge foundry and the USA is no longer just a spectator in an industry it created. It's not clear to me Johny Srouji, Lip-Bu Tan, or any other possible new CEO can just wave a magic wand and make foundry disappear. Nor is it clear they would want to do that. This is a very complex geopolitical chess game involving governments (USA, Taiwan, China, Japan, Korea, Europe) and big tech companies (Intel, TSMC, Samsung, Apple, Nvidia, ASML, etc... ).

Intel needs a CEO who knows this geopolitical landscape, knows how to make the deals or investments from Apple and Nvidia happen, knows the foundry technology, knows the design technology, and knows how to lead. Pat seems to have all these traits, expect he wasn't able to get the big names to sign up for IFS or to invest in it. If the new CEO can acheive this, INTC and its foundry will succeed. If the new CEO sells off foundry, foundry will fail or simply fall into the hands of TSMC, who would be required to have it be non-leading edge (again by Taiwain law). Without a fab, Intel products would have no distinguishing characteristic or unique selling point. Intel products would likely also fail in this scenario, especially since they seem unwilling to do anything outside of x86. A new CEO also needs to expand Intel products into realms other than x86 laptops and x86 data center. Either bring x86 into mobile, or bring non-x86 to Intel. Finally, a new CEO needs to set a lofty goal in AI, simliarly grandiose to Pat's 5N4Y lofty foundry goal. Intel needs bold action in products too.
 
Intel needs a CEO who knows this geopolitical landscape, knows how to make the deals or investments from Apple and Nvidia happen, knows the foundry technology, knows the design technology, and knows how to lead. Pat seems to have all these traits, expect he wasn't able to get the big names to sign up for IFS or to invest in it. If the new CEO can acheive this, INTC and its foundry will succeed. If the new CEO sells off foundry, foundry will fail or simply fall into the hands of TSMC, who would be required to have it be non-leading edge (again by Taiwain law). Without a fab, Intel products would have no distinguishing characteristic or unique selling point. Intel products would likely also fail in this scenario, especially since they seem unwilling to do anything outside of x86. A new CEO also needs to expand Intel products into realms other than x86 laptops and x86 data center. Either bring x86 into mobile, or bring non-x86 to Intel. Finally, a new CEO needs to set a lofty goal in AI, simliarly grandiose to Pat's 5N4Y lofty foundry goal. Intel needs bold action in products too.
Intel's focus has been on DC GPU and Mobile and other areas over the past 20 years. They have failed many many times because they are not good at it. They acquired multiple companies for the talent... but the problem is Intels speed and flexibility. If they had just spent 10 more years on Larrabee or Ponte Vecchio, they would have worked well..... but that is not acceptable and the products would be too late like always.

Before we celebrate the success of Intel 3,4, 18A (they all work from my understanding) .... lets wait for the finances. Its a terrible process if its not cost effective. We wont know the yields or the exact wafer starts.... but we have spreadsheets to deduce cost effectiveness from finance numbers.

Intel is very good a PC and DC CPUs.... those markets will change.... Intel products can profitable lead that change
 
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