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Kevin O’Buckley Talks Progress on Intel 18A

Daniel Nenni

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Back in May, Intel welcomed Kevin O’Buckley as its new head of Foundry Services, leading growth of Intel’s foundry business and continuing to build out its ecosystem of intellectual property (IP) and electronic design automation (EDA) partners. Since then, O’Buckley has been busy speaking with customers, getting to know Intel and his team, and working closely with Intel Foundry’s other senior leaders to bring to life the first systems foundry built for the AI era. O’Buckley brings decades of experience at foundry and fabless companies, including IBM Microelectronics, Global Foundries and, most recently, Marvell Technology, where he was senior vice president of the Compute and Custom Solutions Engineering teams.

O’Buckley joined as Intel approaches the finish line of its ambitious strategy to deliver five process nodes in four years (5N4Y), culminating next year with high-volume manufacturing of the Intel 18A process technology – the industry’s first foundry node to successfully incorporate both RibbonFET gate-all-around transistors and PowerVia backside power technology. The first two Intel products using Intel 18A have successfully booted operating systems, are being used inside the company, and are yielding and performing well. Intel 18A is the core process fueling the company’s IDM 2.0 strategy and systems foundry approach, and it will represent a significant step in bringing Intel back to process leadership and industry-leading innovation.

Here, O’Buckley discusses his experience and leadership, why he’s a big believer in a systems foundry approach, what’s new with Intel 18A, and why he’s excited (and a little sad) to be moving from the land of Ben & Jerry’s to the land of Gordon Moore, Robert Noyce & Andy Grove.

Why Intel Foundry? Why now?
I spent the past few years at a great fabless company developing leading-edge data center products, but I spent a shocking amount of my time begging for supply from foundries and OSATs (outsourced semiconductor assembly and test vendors). Developing great products and then struggling to deliver them at the needed scale for your customers just plain stinks. This problem gets only more acute as the incredible demands of the AI era continue. It was a real lesson for me on the importance of a diverse and robust supply chain in our industry – something, frankly, that still isn’t in place at the scale needed. Intel is the only company in our industry positioned to do this, and I jumped at the opportunity to play a part in making it happen.

Intel Foundry promises to deliver a systems foundry for the AI era. Can you talk about what that means and why it’s important to foundry customers?
The AI era is a lot more than ChatGPT and Siri. Machine learning compute is expected to grow more than 3x per year over the next 10 years. Already, AI and high-performance computing (HPC) have for the first time surpassed mobile revenue in the chip industry. And by 2028, chiplets – and systems of chips – will surpass monolithic die. These are structural shifts that are pushing the boundaries of transistor innovation, device interconnect and advanced packaging. Intel Foundry is driving the full stack of system innovation to enable this transformation. If you also add in the incredible systems expertise we have developed over generations of scalable servers and even internal data centers, we have a complete set of offerings capable of enabling foundry customers to significantly improve scale and power efficiency, which is required for AI solutions.

A key element of Foundry Services is the world-class technologies being offered to external foundry customers for the first time. The first of these is the Intel 18A process technology. What makes Intel 18A so important, and what’s the latest on its progress?
This is such an incredible moment for Intel and for our industry. In Intel 18A, we are pioneering multiple technologies that are essential to our customers and that will be a significant step toward bringing us back to process leadership: RibbonFET gate-all-around transistors for device performance and PowerVia backside power technology to enable new device interconnect methods. We also have next-gen EMIB (embedded multi-die interconnect bridge) and Foveros Direct 3D advanced packaging technologies for higher density and power handling. These are the innovations our customers need to keep the economics of Moore’s Law alive – and we are leading the way. Make sure that sinks in – Intel is out ahead of everyone else in the industry with these innovations – that feels great!

Can you tell us about some implementations of Intel 18A and the systems foundry approach that have led to positive customer outcomes?
Intel 18A is driving next-gen AI innovation across Intel products—and the early results are very encouraging. The Panther Lake client processor is powered on and booting Windows, yielding well, in use inside Intel and ahead of schedule on product qualification milestones. Clearwater Forest for data center is powered on, booting operating systems, in use inside Intel and performing well. What an incredible accomplishment for our customer design teams and what an incredible testament to these technology innovations being delivered first time, right. This is Intel at its best—from design enablement and IP to technology development and manufacturing to SoC (system-on-chip) architecture and development.

Ecosystem partners are updating EDA and IP process flows and tools to the Process Design Kit (PDK) 1.0, which will enable customers to begin their final production designs. And we’re seeing continued interest from external foundry customers who are actively designing on Intel 18A. These positive outcomes are a signal for fabless customers and the industry at large that IDM 2.0 and our systems foundry strategy is working.

We announced in February that Intel had “taped-out” Clearwater Forest. It will be the first high-volume, high-performance implementation of RibbonFET and PowerVia on the server—and will be packaged with Foveros Direct 3D technology. What can this combination mean for foundry customers?
In Intel 18A, we are delivering quite a list of industry firsts for foundry customers. Why? It’s because our work continuing Moore’s Law is increasingly a multifront battle. Transistor scaling now requires a totally different device architecture that we enable with RibbonFET. Incredible demands for power at ever lower, tightly controlled voltages required innovation in power delivery and signal routing that we deliver with PowerVia. Clearwater Forest also introduces the Intel 3-T process technology for the first time as the base die, while Foveros Direct 3D and EMIB technologies enable this at scale on a package that previous monolithic single-chip designs simply couldn’t deliver. It’s awesome!

Circling back to AI: We’ve said before that the promise of AI depends on semiconductor companies achieving big leaps in scale and efficiency. Why is this and how do they get there?
At a high level, in recent decades, the growth of global compute has been dictated by Moore’s Law. Transistor density would scale, we would push core counts and frequency to take advantage of it, and the industry would scale consistently. Today, demand for capability in AI far exceeds what even Moore’s Law can deliver – just this year, a 2x increase in training FLOPS on top of almost doubling the number of chips being delivered. This means we need more of everything: silicon, density, power and power management, packaging, and substrates. This growth in demand is projected to be the norm for the foreseeable future.

The global supply chain remains under elevated scrutiny. What are customers telling you about how balanced capacity factors into their future plans?
Our customers are smart. They see the same demand signals that we do in the AI era, and they also see sustained geopolitical tensions as threats to their business that require risk management. That means more suppliers across a more geographically diverse footprint. That’s us! We’re investing in facilities all around the world and doing so with improved sustainability being one of our top priorities.

You are making the big move from Burlington, Vermont, to Santa Clara, California. What excites you about living in Silicon Valley and what will you miss about Vermont?
It’s Silicon Valley! This is where our customers are. And as we work together to continue to transform Intel Foundry into a business that will serve our entire industry, this is the place for me to be.

On a personal note, as our youngest son is just finishing college, my wife and I made the decision together to make the jump (along with our dogs) now that the nest is empty. I’d be lying if I said we were entirely abandoning the East Coast though – our sons live in Boston, and we’re working to make sure we have a place to go when we want to visit them. And, it turns out you can get good ice cream and skiing in California, too.

 
I suspect 18A reality isn't as good as this interview sounds. I wish it was this good. If 18A and Foundry progress were notably positive I think we would see INTC's price recovering, instead it is hovering at about $20/share on a big tech up day.
 
I guess they can't name them fir obvious reasons but we will know sooner or later

I would be happy with number of tape-outs or even design wins. How about customer engagements? When CC Wei says N2 has more tape-outs than N5 or N3 that is a VERY strong statement. Intel and Samsung need to speak the TSMC lingo if they really want to compete.
 
I suspect 18A reality isn't as good as this interview sounds. I wish it was this good. If 18A and Foundry progress were notably positive I think we would see INTC's price recovering, instead it is hovering at about $20/share on a big tech up day.
Maybe? I think the biggest reason for the (here to stay) drop is lack of dividend — and even a spectacular process announcement wouldn’t reverse the damage from that.
 
I suspect 18A reality isn't as good as this interview sounds. I wish it was this good. If 18A and Foundry progress were notably positive I think we would see INTC's price recovering, instead it is hovering at about $20/share on a big tech up day.
Maybe I am being too cynical, but for a long time now I have been under the belief that 18A could have the PPA of TSMC A14, be mobile optimized from the start rather than only getting mobile optimized with 18A-P, and could currently be yielding as well as N3E is right now; and 18A would have a similarly small list of 5 customers and (based on the statement that AP is the majority of IFS revenue) single digit billions in 18A wafer agreements. Intel announced their first customer for 18A back in 2H'23, and even if the chip design team works Apple or NVIDIA fast and IF does as good a job enabling that customer's design team as TSMC does we are talking what; like 2027 for that product launching to market? Hopefully the progress intel made building an ecosystem/foundry systems and 18A now having the maturity to support the launch of PDK 1.0 earns intel the trust necessary for a wider customer base to engage with 14A earlier in development under the auspices that intel can execute to the commitments they make to external customers, has a suitable ecosystem, and the clarity that intel is fully committed to foundry.
I think it is a great promo. Hopefully they will be able to discuss external customers soon. That is all that is missing for me. Show me the external customer money!
I doubt merchant chip customers want to publicly announce their collaboration plans with intel and potentially sour their long established relationships with other foundries.
I would be happy with number of tape-outs or even design wins. How about customer engagements? When CC Wei says N2 has more tape-outs than N5 or N3 that is a VERY strong statement. Intel and Samsung need to speak the TSMC lingo if they really want to compete.
You were around back then Dan, so some questions for you since you might know. I know Samsung's foundry business for a long time was just Apple. Did Samsung have any appreciable non Apple customers before 14LPP? Were any of those customers that did get on the Samsung train before 14LPP only jump on after whatever node they were using was proved out by Samsung LSI and Apple? Was part of the large increase in business just a result of Samsung having built up the trust and ecosystem for customers to trust Samsung to deliver after years in the foundry business with Apple? Or was the huge increase in interest purely a function of 14LPP having good PPA and TTM?

I also know of the non Chartered part of GF's struggle to get non AMD/IBM fabless customers on their process technology even years after the spin out. If memory serves their first customer was just STM second sourcing some of their supply. So sorry about the barrage of questions but I was just trying to calibrate how long the trust building process takes even when you had alright execution (minus the slip up on HKMG that tripped up so many firms) and competitive process technology like Samsung did. As well as how long it takes when execution is less than stellar (like in the instance of GF).
 
I think the Fab 52 and Fab62 timeline will tell us whether Intel has committed 18A customers or if they just have people running test chips.

What are the odds that they ship production revenue wafers from Fab 52 in 2025?

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IMO, there will be some check points to see 18A is viable and I am wondering how deep intel's pocket will be for the next 2 years? 3 years?
Milestone I am expecting:
1. Resume D0 and electric parameters matching trends of 20A/18A to show the readiness for manufacturing. Although it could be process/design complexity related but it is a good index. Other foundries use SRAM,FPGA or ARM core as their test vehicle and intel should have their way and align with these past nodes (22nm/14nm).
2. Tape out number trend/ 1st 18A revenue deliver time
3. Reasonable CapEx plan for high volume manufacturing in the next 5 years
4. No further high level management leave
5. Decreasing cost of outsourcing to other foundries.
Go for intel!
 
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Is Intel purposely not talking about 20A? They made a huge production out of 4, 3, and now 18A.. but seem very quiet on 20A. Even if it’s for internal products only, that should be a big milestone too.
 
I would be happy with number of tape-outs or even design wins. How about customer engagements? When CC Wei says N2 has more tape-outs than N5 or N3 that is a VERY strong statement. Intel and Samsung need to speak the TSMC lingo if they really want to compete.
Kevin O’Buckley: "We’re seeing continued interest from external foundry customers who are actively designing on Intel 18A."
Pat: "We've seen a flurry of activity with the EDA, the IP vendors, and the end customers."
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Given Intel's current challenging period, I assume they wouldn't miss the opportunity to advertise even a single tape-out from external customers. It seems they still don't have any.
 
It will have one external customer tap-out in 1H'25
Kevin O’Buckley: "We’re seeing continued interest from external foundry customers who are actively designing on Intel 18A."
Pat: "We've seen a flurry of activity with the EDA, the IP vendors, and the end customers."
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Given Intel's current challenging period, I assume they wouldn't miss the opportunity to advertise even a single tape-out from external customers. It seems they still don't have any.
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