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How election results may impact Ohio’s Intel project

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How election results may impact Ohio’s Intel project​

By Aliah Keller Ohio
PUBLISHED 6:00 PM ET Nov. 11, 2024

LICKING COUNTY, Ohio — As Intel continues to build its $20 billion manufacturing plant in New Albany, it remains to be seen whether the results of last week’s election could impact its future.

What You Need To Know

  • The Intel project is expected to create tens of thousands of jobs and be a big boost for the region’s economy, but comments just days before the election from U.S. House speaker Mike Johnson grabbed headlines, suggesting Republicans could try to repeal the bipartisan policy
  • Johnson later clarified those comments, saying it’s other parts of the bill that he disagrees with
  • Ohio’s newly elected Senator Bernie Moreno says he’s committed to keeping the Intel project on course


Comments from Both President-elect Donald Trump and other Republicans in Washington have some questioning whether the new regime would change the course of the CHIPS Act, but as Spectrum News found out, Ohio’s newly elected Senator is committed to keeping the project on course.

The Intel project is expected to create tens of thousands of jobs and be a big boost for the region’s economy, but comments just days before the election from U.S. House speaker Mike Johnson grabbed headlines, suggesting Republicans could try to repeal the bipartisan policy.
“I expect we probably will, but we haven’t developed that part of the agenda,” Rep. Mike Johnson, (R) House Speaker said.

Johnson later clarified those comments, saying it’s other parts of the bill that he disagrees with.

“We’re going to support chip manufacturing,” said Johnson. “We do not support the Green New Deal. When you separate those two things, that makes it a lot simpler.”

His comments come weeks after President-elect Trump went on a podcast, describing the legislation as a quote “Bad Deal.”
But Senator-elect Bernie Moreno disagrees, saying he’ll push to keep the legislation in place, so that the Intel project isn’t in jeopardy.
“We cannot lose that project. That cannot happen,” said Bernie Moreno, (R) US Senator-elect. “I will do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen. That means that we have to go out there and talk to the Commerce Secretary to make sure that funds are released immediately.”

Intel refused our request for an interview on the topic, and so did New Albany’s Mayor Sloan Spalding. Instead, Spalding gave us a statement saying, “The CHIPS Act is vital to our region’s continued growth. We remain committed to the project’s success, are proud to be part of the efforts to strengthen America’s semiconductor industry, and are hopeful our federal partners will follow through on their commitments.”
We’ve reached out to the offices of Governor Mike DeWine, Vice President-elect JD Vance and Congressman Troy Balderson for their take on the future of the CHIPS Act. But at this point, none of them have responded to our calls.

 
The new VP Vance is a Senator from Ohio right? Intel Ohio should do fine.

 

Where is the CHIPS Act funding for Ohio’s Intel plant?​



NEW ALBANY, OH — SEPTEMBER 09: Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, Gov. Mike DeWine joined by politicians and business leaders break ground ceremony for Intel’s new semiconductor manufacturing site, September 9, 2022, in Licking County, Ohio. (Photo by Graham Stokes for the Ohio Capital Journal / Republish photo only with original story)

Ohio officials are trying to get federal funding for Intel’s multi-billion dollar manufacturing facility, but as the months go on and as a new administration gets closer, tensions are rising.

Tech giant Intel broke ground in the Buckeye State more than two years ago, promising $20 billion for a semiconductor manufacturing plant that would create tens of thousands of jobs.

Semiconductors are the chips behind e-commerce, social media, cars, computers and everything that utilizes digital technology, which nowadays is just about everything.

This wouldn’t have been possible without the CHIPS Act, which President Joe Biden signed in August of 2022. The immediate economic impact was supposed to be major. The plant will create 3,000 high-paying jobs, 7,000 construction jobs and tens of thousands of additional jobs.
But that hasn’t happened yet.

Intel told OCJ/WEWS in February that their goal of starting to create chips by late 2025 isn’t possible anymore.

It was a historic moment for Ohio, but is it just history now?​

“This has been something that has been lingering for quite some time,” Gov. Mike DeWine said.

DeWine and the state have already given billions to subsidize the project, but Intel said the federal government isn’t keeping up its end of the bargain. An agreement was made in the spring for Intel to get $8.5 billion in direct funding and $11 billion in loans, the company said.

“I did reach out to the White House today, to ask them to speed up the money going to Intel,” DeWine told reporters before the general election.

Intel is still planning to stay in Ohio despite the delays, a spokesperson for the company said.

“We’re proud to be building the Silicon Heartland and are well on our way to establishing Ohio One as one of the world’s leading semiconductor manufacturing hubs,” the spokesperson said. “We are committed to Ohio and are going to finish the job.”

But state Sen. Bill DeMora, D-Columbus, who has been advocating for the central Ohio area as the Intel project gets going, said the blame doesn’t just fall on the administration.

“Intel needs to do the stuff that they’re required to do, and then I think the federal government’s willing to give them the money they promised,” DeMora said.

The U.S. Department of Commerce requires businesses to comply with their regulations in order to get the money. We asked both the government and Intel where they were stuck. Intel was unable to provide comment on “private conversations.”

It is possible that Intel has fully complied and the negotiation process is just taking a long time, but DeMora believes that they would have no problem getting the money if they would just comply.

“There’s probably some obstinance on both sides,” the senator said. “We can get this worked out because we need to get Intel going and get them up and running.”

But the project is facing even more challenges than just a slow rollout of money.

Before the election, U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said the Republicans would “probably” try to repeal the CHIPS Act.

“I expect that we probably will, but we haven’t developed that part of the agenda yet,” Johnson told a reporter who asked if he would try to repeal the legislation.

The speaker noted that it was important for national security, but went too far.

“You’ll have 100% agreement by President Trump and all in Congress what we were opposed to is that it had too much crammed into it,” Johnson said.

After swift backlash from Democrats and concerns from Republicans, Johnson retracted his comment, saying he misheard the question.
But the doubt was already cast on the future of the Silicon Heartland.

U.S. Senator-elect Bernie Moreno is standing strongly behind the Intel project and said a repeal isn’t coming, but on Wednesday, he said the legislation could use some work.

“I could see a modification of it to move from grants to maybe tax incentives and just a better operational execution of that,” Moreno told reporters.
However, the following day, the same group of Statehouse reporters asked Moreno what he wanted tweaked from the CHIPS Act.

“I’m going to confess, I haven’t read it,” Moreno said. “And one of the things you’ll find with me is I’m never going to comment on a bill that I haven’t read.”

He continued that, at a “high level,” it was too intrusive to the company’s business.

“It’s telling them too many things of how to run their company,” he said. “I would have preferred it to be more of a tax incentive program than a grant program because government can’t help itself.”

At the end of the day, the senator-elect said, Intel is going to “thrive” in Ohio.

Moreno has been texting with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, he said, and they will work together to make sure the project is successful. Intel confirmed this.

“The idea behind the CHIPS and Science Act began in the first Trump Administration and maintains strong bipartisan support,” an Intel spokesperson said. “Restoring America’s semiconductor manufacturing leadership is integral to the country’s economic competitiveness and national security. As the only American company that designs and manufactures leading-edge chips, Intel has a critically important role to play and we look forward to working with the Trump administration on this shared priority.”

This, combined with the company’s financial trouble, is concerning to DeMora and other Ohio officials.

Intel’s stock has dropped more than 50% in the last year while the industry has grown more than 120%. After spending 25 years on the Dow Jones Industrial Average, Intel was replaced on the index by Nvidia, a leader in artificial intelligence, on Friday. The company also had mass layoffs in October, cutting 15,000 jobs, slashing its workforce by 15%.

“I think there’s a definite possibility that Intel could pull out and say ‘We’re done,’ especially if their stock continues to fall,” DeMora said.

Some officials in Ohio have privately worried that Intel will become another ‘Foxconn’ scandal. In 2023, Ohio-based Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy and sued international manufacturer Foxconn for failing to live up and follow through on their massive investment deal.

Still, DeWine is confident that the project will succeed.

“It’s important to Ohio, it’s important to the future, I think, of this country,” the governor said. “It’s now time to get this done.”

 

Where is the CHIPS Act funding for Ohio’s Intel plant?​


NEW ALBANY, OH — SEPTEMBER 09: Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, Gov. Mike DeWine joined by politicians and business leaders break ground ceremony for Intel’s new semiconductor manufacturing site, September 9, 2022, in Licking County, Ohio. (Photo by Graham Stokes for the Ohio Capital Journal / Republish photo only with original story)

Ohio officials are trying to get federal funding for Intel’s multi-billion dollar manufacturing facility, but as the months go on and as a new administration gets closer, tensions are rising.

Tech giant Intel broke ground in the Buckeye State more than two years ago, promising $20 billion for a semiconductor manufacturing plant that would create tens of thousands of jobs.

Semiconductors are the chips behind e-commerce, social media, cars, computers and everything that utilizes digital technology, which nowadays is just about everything.

This wouldn’t have been possible without the CHIPS Act, which President Joe Biden signed in August of 2022. The immediate economic impact was supposed to be major. The plant will create 3,000 high-paying jobs, 7,000 construction jobs and tens of thousands of additional jobs.
But that hasn’t happened yet.

Intel told OCJ/WEWS in February that their goal of starting to create chips by late 2025 isn’t possible anymore.

It was a historic moment for Ohio, but is it just history now?​

“This has been something that has been lingering for quite some time,” Gov. Mike DeWine said.

DeWine and the state have already given billions to subsidize the project, but Intel said the federal government isn’t keeping up its end of the bargain. An agreement was made in the spring for Intel to get $8.5 billion in direct funding and $11 billion in loans, the company said.

“I did reach out to the White House today, to ask them to speed up the money going to Intel,” DeWine told reporters before the general election.

Intel is still planning to stay in Ohio despite the delays, a spokesperson for the company said.

“We’re proud to be building the Silicon Heartland and are well on our way to establishing Ohio One as one of the world’s leading semiconductor manufacturing hubs,” the spokesperson said. “We are committed to Ohio and are going to finish the job.”

But state Sen. Bill DeMora, D-Columbus, who has been advocating for the central Ohio area as the Intel project gets going, said the blame doesn’t just fall on the administration.

“Intel needs to do the stuff that they’re required to do, and then I think the federal government’s willing to give them the money they promised,” DeMora said.

The U.S. Department of Commerce requires businesses to comply with their regulations in order to get the money. We asked both the government and Intel where they were stuck. Intel was unable to provide comment on “private conversations.”

It is possible that Intel has fully complied and the negotiation process is just taking a long time, but DeMora believes that they would have no problem getting the money if they would just comply.

“There’s probably some obstinance on both sides,” the senator said. “We can get this worked out because we need to get Intel going and get them up and running.”

But the project is facing even more challenges than just a slow rollout of money.

Before the election, U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said the Republicans would “probably” try to repeal the CHIPS Act.

“I expect that we probably will, but we haven’t developed that part of the agenda yet,” Johnson told a reporter who asked if he would try to repeal the legislation.

The speaker noted that it was important for national security, but went too far.

“You’ll have 100% agreement by President Trump and all in Congress what we were opposed to is that it had too much crammed into it,” Johnson said.

After swift backlash from Democrats and concerns from Republicans, Johnson retracted his comment, saying he misheard the question.
But the doubt was already cast on the future of the Silicon Heartland.

U.S. Senator-elect Bernie Moreno is standing strongly behind the Intel project and said a repeal isn’t coming, but on Wednesday, he said the legislation could use some work.

“I could see a modification of it to move from grants to maybe tax incentives and just a better operational execution of that,” Moreno told reporters.
However, the following day, the same group of Statehouse reporters asked Moreno what he wanted tweaked from the CHIPS Act.

“I’m going to confess, I haven’t read it,” Moreno said. “And one of the things you’ll find with me is I’m never going to comment on a bill that I haven’t read.”

He continued that, at a “high level,” it was too intrusive to the company’s business.

“It’s telling them too many things of how to run their company,” he said. “I would have preferred it to be more of a tax incentive program than a grant program because government can’t help itself.”

At the end of the day, the senator-elect said, Intel is going to “thrive” in Ohio.

Moreno has been texting with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, he said, and they will work together to make sure the project is successful. Intel confirmed this.

“The idea behind the CHIPS and Science Act began in the first Trump Administration and maintains strong bipartisan support,” an Intel spokesperson said. “Restoring America’s semiconductor manufacturing leadership is integral to the country’s economic competitiveness and national security. As the only American company that designs and manufactures leading-edge chips, Intel has a critically important role to play and we look forward to working with the Trump administration on this shared priority.”

This, combined with the company’s financial trouble, is concerning to DeMora and other Ohio officials.

Intel’s stock has dropped more than 50% in the last year while the industry has grown more than 120%. After spending 25 years on the Dow Jones Industrial Average, Intel was replaced on the index by Nvidia, a leader in artificial intelligence, on Friday. The company also had mass layoffs in October, cutting 15,000 jobs, slashing its workforce by 15%.

“I think there’s a definite possibility that Intel could pull out and say ‘We’re done,’ especially if their stock continues to fall,” DeMora said.

Some officials in Ohio have privately worried that Intel will become another ‘Foxconn’ scandal. In 2023, Ohio-based Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy and sued international manufacturer Foxconn for failing to live up and follow through on their massive investment deal.

Still, DeWine is confident that the project will succeed.

“It’s important to Ohio, it’s important to the future, I think, of this country,” the governor said. “It’s now time to get this done.”


"Some officials in Ohio have privately worried that Intel will become another ‘Foxconn’ scandal. In 2023, Ohio-based Lordstown Motors filed for bankruptcy and sued international manufacturer Foxconn for failing to live up and follow through on their massive investment deal."

This report from the Ohio Capital Journal is misleading. The truth is Lordstown Motors is a "troubled" company with dishonest practice. When it ran out of money and could not swindle more money from the investors, such as Foxconn, it filed bankruptcy and sued Foxconn.

But in March 2024:

"Bankrupt electric truck maker Lordstown Motors Corp will have to pay out $25 million to shareholders, settling SEC claims it misled investors and broke anti-fraud and reporting rules in US federal securities laws."

 
Pat Gelsinger has always claimed these projects would go forward, but the speed they would progress at would be dependent on government assistance.


If Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger did express that "the speed at which they would progress would be dependent on government assistance", he is misleading the public and unilaterally changing the rules of the CHIPS and Science Act.

The grant money that Intel, TSMC, Micron, Samsung, Globalfoundries, TI, Microchip, BAE, SK Hynix, and several other companies applied for falls under the "CHIPS Incentives Program – Commercial Fabrication Facilities" category. The grant money is distributed based on milestones achieved by the recipients. It is not, as Gelsinger implied, a matter of companies moving faster or slower depending on the amount and speed of grant money transferred to their accounts.

For those interested in the CHIPS Act application process, rules, and program priorities, the following document is a good place to start:



"The funding opportunity lays out a five-part application process:

Statement of Interest. A potential applicant must briefly describe the proposed project so that the CHIPS Program Office may gauge interest in the program and plan for further review.

Pre-Application (Optional). In this stage, potential applicants may choose to submit a more detailed description of their project plan(s). The CHIPS Program Office will provide written feedback on the preapplication, including a recommendation to the applicant for next steps (i.e., whether the applicant should submit a revised pre-application, a full application, or neither).

Full Application. Full applications contain detailed information on the project(s), including the technical and financial feasibility and alignment with economic and national security objectives. The CHIPS Program Office may provide feedback or seek further information or clarification from the applicant as part of the process. Before moving into the due diligence phase, the CHIPS Program Office will prepare and seek agreement to a non-binding Preliminary Memorandum of Terms, which will include recommendations for the award’s amount and form and may also include terms related to other strategic objectives.

Due Diligence. If the CHIPS Program Office determines that an applicant is reasonably likely to receive an award—and the CHIPS Program Office and the applicant agree, or foresee agreement, on a non-binding Preliminary Memorandum of Terms—the application will enter the comprehensive due diligence phase. In this phase, the CHIPS Program Office will require the applicant to provide additional information on national security, financial, environmental, and other issues and will engage at the applicant’s expense with outside advisors, consultants, and/or attorneys to validate the information provided in the application.

Award Preparation and Issuance. After successfully completing due diligence, the Department of Commerce will prepare and issue an award. Direct funding and loans will ultimately be disbursed in tranches tied to project milestones."

"PROGRAM PRIORITIES​

Applications must address six program priority areas, which are described in detail in the funding opportunity. The extent to which the application addresses the program’s economic and national security objectives is of primary importance and will receive the greatest weight.

Economic and National Security. The semiconductor supply chain is global, and different elements of the supply chain are geographically concentrated in different regions of the world. This concentration means that a range of risks—from cybersecurity threats to natural disasters to pandemics—have the capacity to disrupt international semiconductor supply chains and damage the U.S. and global economy. The CHIPS Program Office will invest in projects that meaningfully increase U.S. semiconductor production and strengthen global supply chains. The CHIPS Program Office also seeks to fund projects that further U.S. national security interests, for example by providing the U.S. Department of Defense and national security community with stable, long-term onshore access to semiconductors. See Vision for Success: Commercial Fabrication Facilities for more details.

Commercial Viability. Applicants must have a plan for reliable cash flows and continued investment, and they should commit to making the investments and upgrades necessary to ensure that the facility remains commercially viable over the long term. See Fact Sheet: Catalyzing Private Investment for more details.

Financial Strength. Applicants will be asked to submit a detailed financial model for their proposed project, including projected cash flows, internal rates of return, and profitability metrics. Moreover, because CHIPS funding will not be enough on its own to build the semiconductor production capacity necessary to meet the program’s economic and national security objectives, applicants are directed to maximize private-sector contributions. See Fact Sheet: Catalyzing Private Investment for more details.

Project Technical Feasibility & Readiness. To demonstrate technical feasibility, applicants are asked to provide a clear project execution plan, including major construction and operational milestones, construction rights and permits, and key contractual arrangements. The CHIPS Program Office will also prioritize applicants who explain how they plan to meet environmental and permitting requirements in a timely fashion, such as by using existing infrastructure or securing agreements in advance from state and local permitting authorities to keep projects on schedule. Applicants will also be asked to demonstrate their relevant experience and expertise to support successful execution at the scale envisioned in the application. See NEPA materials for more details.

Workforce Development. Applicants must commit to developing and maintaining a highly skilled, diverse workforce, including by outlining their plans to hire economically disadvantaged individuals. In addition, applicants are encouraged to work with government organizations, educational institutions, labor unions, industry associations, and other strategic partners to meet the needs of the semiconductor industry in their region. Finally, any applicant requesting more than $150 million in funding must provide a plan for access to affordable, accessible, reliable, and high-quality child care for both facility and construction workers. See Fact Sheet: Building a Skilled and Diverse Workforce for more details.

Broader Impacts. The CHIPS Program Office is committed to building strong communities that share in the prosperity of the semiconductor industry, and to safeguarding taxpayer investments. Consistent with these aims, the CHIPS Program Office will evaluate projects based on applicants’ plans to commit to future investment in the U.S. semiconductor industry, including to build R&D facilities in the United States; support CHIPS research and development programs; create opportunities for minority-owned, veteran-owned, and women-owned businesses; demonstrate climate and environmental responsibility; invest in their communities by addressing barriers to economic inclusion; and commit to using iron, steel, and construction materials produced in the United States. See Fact Sheet: Spurring Regional Economic Development and Inclusive Economic Growth for more details."
 
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If Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger did express that "the speed at which they would progress would be dependent on government assistance", he is misleading the public and unilaterally changing the rules of the CHIPS and Science Act.
Sorry, but I don't see anything misleading at all. I see it as a simple statement of facts. Intel intends to build the fabs. Intel's resources are limited. With more resources Intel can move more quickly. Chip's act money = more resources. Intel is moving as quickly as they can afford to (some might argue too quickly). That is basic economics, nothing more. That is why TSMC is growing and Intel is struggling. They have resources (i.e. funding) and Intel doesn't.

Thanks for the link to the CHIPs Act funding information, though. That was very informative.
 
Sorry, but I don't see anything misleading at all. I see it as a simple statement of facts. Intel intends to build the fabs. Intel's resources are limited. With more resources Intel can move more quickly. Chip's act money = more resources. Intel is moving as quickly as they can afford to (some might argue too quickly). That is basic economics, nothing more. That is why TSMC is growing and Intel is struggling. They have resources (i.e. funding) and Intel doesn't.

Thanks for the link to the CHIPs Act funding information, though. That was very informative.

The CHIPS and Science Act is designed to incentivize domestic semiconductor manufacturing, but it is not intended to become the primary or sole replacement for private and local government investment. Taxpayer funds are distributed based on specific construction, production, and operational milestones. Why? Too many government or privately funded projects have failed due to a lack of accountability and the absence of meaningful, enforceable milestones.

If Intel and Pat Gelsinger's projects cannot operate within a funding program that requires milestones (such as timelines, construction, operations, production volumes, years of maintaining the capacity, technical feasibility and readiness), they should not apply for the CHIPS Act's manufacturing incentives in the first place.

Furthermore, if Intel and Pat Gelsinger aim to proceed with a project based solely on the timing of taxpayer funding, they are already failing to meet the CHIPS Act’s requirements.
 
Sorry, but I don't see anything misleading at all. I see it as a simple statement of facts. Intel intends to build the fabs. Intel's resources are limited. With more resources Intel can move more quickly. Chip's act money = more resources. Intel is moving as quickly as they can afford to (some might argue too quickly). That is basic economics, nothing more. That is why TSMC is growing and Intel is struggling. They have resources (i.e. funding) and Intel doesn't.

Thanks for the link to the CHIPs Act funding information, though. That was very informative.
Intel did not adopt EUV technology early, even though it helped invent it. TSMC is currently in a monopoly position, boosted by the AI boom.

However, we've been hearing that Intel's 18A process is progressing well. In terms of manufacturing processes, Intel could potentially be ahead of TSMC within the U.S. The government should release funding as soon as possible.
 
We will hear some updates regarding Intel fabs and related topics early next month:
  • * On Dec. 4 at 12:35 p.m. PST, Naga Chandrasekaran, executive vice president, chief global operations officer and general manager of Intel Foundry Manufacturing and Supply Chain organization, will participate in a fireside chat on Intel’s business and foundry strategy at the UBS Global Technology Conference.

  • * On Dec. 12 at 8:40 a.m. PST, David Zinsner, executive vice president and chief financial officer, will participate in a fireside chat on Intel’s business and financial strategy at the Barclays Global Technology Conference.
 
00:47:16 - U.S. chips production


Why do people keep saying that the Intel Ohio build was part of the CHIPs Act money? That, in my opinion, is VERY misleading.

- Pat Gelsinger rejoined Intel as CEO on February 15, 2021.

- Intel announced plans to build semiconductor fabrication facilities in Ohio in January 2022. The project, known as the Ohio "mega-fab," includes an investment of around $20 billion and is expected to eventually house multiple fabs across nearly 1,000 acres in Licking County, near Columbus. This project is part of Intel's broader strategy to expand U.S.-based chip manufacturing, which aligns with U.S. government incentives to increase domestic production of semiconductors.

- The full funding and implementation of the CHIPS Act was announced in 2022, with President Biden signing it into law on August 9, 2022. This legislation allocated $52.7 billion to support semiconductor manufacturing, research, and development in the United States, with the goal of bolstering domestic chip production and reducing reliance on foreign sources.

- Intel signed the preliminary funding agreement with the U.S. Department of Commerce for CHIPS Act funding on October 30, 2023. This agreement outlines Intel's eligibility for up to $8.5 billion in direct funding, plus an additional $11 billion in low-interest loans. The deal includes provisions for Intel to meet workforce and project milestones as part of its ongoing efforts to expand U.S.-based
 
Why do people keep saying that the Intel Ohio build was part of the CHIPs Act money? That, in my opinion, is VERY misleading.

- Pat Gelsinger rejoined Intel as CEO on February 15, 2021.

- Intel announced plans to build semiconductor fabrication facilities in Ohio in January 2022. The project, known as the Ohio "mega-fab," includes an investment of around $20 billion and is expected to eventually house multiple fabs across nearly 1,000 acres in Licking County, near Columbus. This project is part of Intel's broader strategy to expand U.S.-based chip manufacturing, which aligns with U.S. government incentives to increase domestic production of semiconductors.

- The full funding and implementation of the CHIPS Act was announced in 2022, with President Biden signing it into law on August 9, 2022. This legislation allocated $52.7 billion to support semiconductor manufacturing, research, and development in the United States, with the goal of bolstering domestic chip production and reducing reliance on foreign sources.

- Intel signed the preliminary funding agreement with the U.S. Department of Commerce for CHIPS Act funding on October 30, 2023. This agreement outlines Intel's eligibility for up to $8.5 billion in direct funding, plus an additional $11 billion in low-interest loans. The deal includes provisions for Intel to meet workforce and project milestones as part of its ongoing efforts to expand U.S.-based
That is the point I've been trying to make. Apparently rather poorly.

Here is what Gelsinger has said from the article below.

Not that many years ago, the U.S. accounted for more than one-third of all semiconductor manufacturing, but only 12% are made here today. Production cost was a big factor in that shift, as other countries in Asia invested to build up their own chip industries.
  • "We can't be 30% or 40% more expensive than Asia," Gelsinger said, in an argument clearly aimed at Congress. "So help us close that gap so that we can build bigger and faster on U.S. soil."
Gelsinger stopped short of saying that Intel can't afford its manufacturing effort without U.S. government money, but did say it can go bigger and faster with that funding.
  • "We're investing $20 billion in capital this year. So we are gonna be spending our cash flows to build labs and fabs," Gelsinger said. "But we also-- are looking for and-- seeking subsidies-- and support from governments."
  • Gelsinger positioned it as a matter of the U.S. controlling its digital future. "Name anything that's more important than that to our nation."
Intel was always going to build these fabs under Gelsinger's plans. The chips act money will help Intel get them built faster. It isn't a give me the money if you want them kind of thing.

 
That is the point I've been trying to make. Apparently rather poorly.

Here is what Gelsinger has said from the article below.

Not that many years ago, the U.S. accounted for more than one-third of all semiconductor manufacturing, but only 12% are made here today. Production cost was a big factor in that shift, as other countries in Asia invested to build up their own chip industries.
  • "We can't be 30% or 40% more expensive than Asia," Gelsinger said, in an argument clearly aimed at Congress. "So help us close that gap so that we can build bigger and faster on U.S. soil."
Gelsinger stopped short of saying that Intel can't afford its manufacturing effort without U.S. government money, but did say it can go bigger and faster with that funding.
  • "We're investing $20 billion in capital this year. So we are gonna be spending our cash flows to build labs and fabs," Gelsinger said. "But we also-- are looking for and-- seeking subsidies-- and support from governments."
  • Gelsinger positioned it as a matter of the U.S. controlling its digital future. "Name anything that's more important than that to our nation."
Intel was always going to build these fabs under Gelsinger's plans. The chips act money will help Intel get them built faster. It isn't a give me the money if you want them kind of thing.


One problem is that Intel and some others continue to act as if Intel is the “only child” America has, as though it’s the “chosen one.”

In reality, the CHIPS Act is designed to strengthen the entire U.S. domestic production capability and ecosystem, with or without Intel. The U.S. semiconductor industry is large and diversified, extending well beyond what Intel alone can achieve. It’s in Intel’s best interest to position itself accordingly in order to survive and be prosperous.
 
One problem is that Intel and some others continue to act as if Intel is the “only child” America has, as though it’s the “chosen one.”

In reality, the CHIPS Act is designed to strengthen the entire U.S. domestic production capability and ecosystem, with or without Intel. The U.S. semiconductor industry is large and diversified, extending well beyond what Intel alone can achieve. It’s in Intel’s best interest to position itself accordingly in order to survive and be prosperous.
It is the only leading edge R&D and Fab in US just like Micron is(though they have many fabs outside of US) so they are playing their cards accordingly 🙂
 
It is the only leading edge R&D and Fab in US just like Micron is(though they have many fabs outside of US) so they are playing their cards accordingly 🙂

Yes, it's what Intel said. But please verify it if you have a chance. For example, currently Intel most advanced nodes in HVM, Intel 3 and Intel 4, are in production at Intel Ireland, not US.

Actually until the TSMC Arizona project announcement in May 2020, Intel had not built a new HVM fab on US soil for many years. About 9 months after TSMC's announcement, Intel decided to build Fab 52 and 62 in Arizona in March 2021.

Again, US semiconductor industry is big and very diversified. Intel is an important player but not the only one. In several product categories, Intel is a follower or has no product or no meaningful product to compete at all.

IMO, Intel urgently needs to fix its lacking attractive product problem This is not something that Intel 18A, 14A or TSMC N2, N3 can easily solve.
 
Yes, it's what Intel said. But please verify it if you have a chance. For example, currently Intel most advanced nodes in HVM, Intel 3 and Intel 4, are in production at Intel Ireland, not US.
This is not correct. Intel 3/4 are still in production in Oregon. You just don't ramp a fab up or down that quickly. When your process takes 3ish months to complete it is going to take a while to bleed the volume out of the fab after Ireland has ramped enough to carry the volume.

If Intel is to launch 18A in 2025 they have to start ramping by the middle of the year to get enough volume to launch. That will start in the OR fab before the AZ fab comes online. The product might not be getting sold yet, but production wafers will be getting manufactured.

Will the OR fab produce as much as the AZ fab once it is ramped, no. They need to allocate some capacity to R&D of 14A and path finding for the next node beyond that (10A?) so you won't get the full capacity of the fab for 18A but you will be making leading edge semiconductors in the US within a few months. The only other company that could do that for logic (TSMC) won't (and apparently legally can't per Taiwanese law).

So I ask, what other company is there to fund if the US want's leading edge logic manufacturing capability Because while the US does want to build up the semiconductor industry as a whole in the US, they also want leading edge capability. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
 
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U.S. Senator-elect Bernie Moreno, a Republican from Ohio, said making sure that the government can deliver on its promises to Intel and seeing the project through to the end will be one of his top priorities.

“What we can’t be doing is going from one policy to the next, from one administration to the next, because that provides incredible amounts of uncertainty to companies,” Moreno said. “As a business owner, if I’m promised something from the federal government, and all of a sudden there’s an election and something completely different happens, you’re not willing to make a multibillion-dollar investment the next time around.”

Moreno criticized the administration’s execution of the CHIPS Act.

“We have to honor commitments that the United Stats government has made,” Moreno said. “Intel is up and running in terms of construction, and we don’t want that to slow down. We want to make certain that we make semiconductor chips here in America.”


 
Yes, it's what Intel said. But please verify it if you have a chance. For example, currently Intel most advanced nodes in HVM, Intel 3 and Intel 4, are in production at Intel Ireland, not US.
Everything is produced in Oregon first before transfer of the process to respectable fabs
Actually until the TSMC Arizona project announcement in May 2020, Intel had not built a new HVM fab on US soil for many years. About 9 months after TSMC's announcement, Intel decided to build Fab 52 and 62 in Arizona in March 2021.
You forgot the CEO change happened in between and it was Pat's insistence on fabs Swan would have gone full TSMC instead if funding fabs like kranzich
Again, US semiconductor industry is big and very diversified. Intel is an important player but not the only one. In several product categories, Intel is a follower or has no product or no meaningful product to compete at all.
I said micron in the mix as well that's leading logic and memory both
IMO, Intel urgently needs to fix its lacking attractive product problem This is not something that Intel 18A, 14A or TSMC N2, N3 can easily solve.
for the attractivene product they need get their stuff together some teams are doing excellent and some teams are absolutely worst they need it sorted first
 
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