China urges Japan to halt export restrictions on chips

[Daniel Nenni]

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese Commerce Minister Wang Wentao urged Japan to halt semiconductor export controls, calling it a "wrongdoing" that "seriously violated" international economic and trade rules, a statement from his ministry said on Monday.

China's latest condemnation of the export restrictions was made during Wang's talks with Japanese Trade Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura on May 26 at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) conference in Detroit.

Japan, along with the Netherlands, in January agreed to match U.S. export controls that will limit the sale of some chipmaking tools to China, and has placed restrictions on the export of 23 types of semiconductor manufacturing equipment to its neighbour.

The U.S. imposed the restrictions last year aiming to slow China's work on supercomputers that can be used to develop nuclear weapons systems and artificial intelligence systems.

Japan has not singled out China in its statements about the export controls, saying only that it is fulfilling its duty to contribute to international peace and stability.

Monday's statement from the Chinese commerce ministry also said, however, that China "is willing to work with Japan to promote practical cooperation in key economic and trade areas."

On Friday, Nishimura met with U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo and the two agreed to deepen cooperation in the research and development of advanced chips and technologies such as quantum computing and artificial intelligence.

Wang also met Raimondo and U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai while at the summit, criticising U.S. economic and trade policies towards China, including the U.S.-led Indo-Pacific Economic Framework that excludes China and aims to provide a U.S.-centered alternative to its influence.

The U.S., Japan and other members of the Group of Seven (G7) advanced nations this month agreed to "de-risk" but not decouple from China, reducing their exposure to the world's second-largest economy in everything from chips to minerals.

China urges Japan to halt export restrictions on chips

Chinese Commerce Minister Wang Wentao urged Japan to halt semiconductor export controls, calling it a "wrongdoing" that "seriously violated" international economic and trade rules, a statement from his ministry said on Monday. China's latest condemnation of the export restrictions was made...

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[Daniel Nenni]

Dangerous game. At some point in time China will play the mineral restriction card?

 

[hist78]

Dangerous game. At some point in time China will play the mineral restriction card?

CCP won't do it and can't do it. The so called "decoupling" was started by PRC because Chairman Xi's ambition. He found out it's actually a very bad idea but the West, Japan, and Korea started the decoupling against PRC anyway. If PRC stops the rare earth material export, it just accelerates the decoupling process even faster.

On the other hand, after years of bad experience in dealing with CCP, Japan has decided enough is enough. For example, while PRC needs Japan's semiconductor tools and materials, PRC (sometimes with Russia) keeps sending Navy ships to circle around Japan main islands. The PRC still thinks it can bully other countries without any consequences.

 

[Jozo035]

Dangerous game. At some point in time China will play the mineral restriction card?

They already did.

Amid Tension, China Blocks Vital Exports to Japan (Published 2010)

Escalating a dispute over Japan’s detention of a Chinese fishing trawler captain, China halted exports to Japan of some crucial rare earth elements.

www.nytimes.com

 

[lilo777]

CCP won't do it and can't do it. The so called "decoupling" was started by PRC because Chairman Xi's ambition. He found out it's actually a very bad idea but the West, Japan, and Korea started the decoupling against PRC anyway. If PRC stops the rare earth material export, it just accelerates the decoupling process even faster.

On the other hand, after years of bad experience in dealing with CCP, Japan has decided enough is enough. For example, while PRC needs Japan's semiconductor tools and materials, PRC (sometimes with Russia) keeps sending Navy ships to circle around Japan main islands. The PRC still thinks it can bully other countries without any consequences.

US/NATO sends Navy ships all over the world including China and Russia shores all the time. What does this have to do with anything? The story here is that the west declares that they are for the "rule based world system", but the reality is that they insist on being the ones setting the rules and even then they break these rule left and right. Right now US is in violation of many WTO rules.

 

[lilo777]

They already did.

Amid Tension, China Blocks Vital Exports to Japan (Published 2010)

Escalating a dispute over Japan’s detention of a Chinese fishing trawler captain, China halted exports to Japan of some crucial rare earth elements.

www.nytimes.com

That's from 2010 and it kind of makes sense (retaliation for something Chinese perceive as a hostile action). Japan, on the other hand, is just acting on the orders from US. Japan actions benefit US but not Japan.

 

[Barnsley]

On top of CCP telling Japan they cannot meet with NATO.

Seem like.CCP trying to run every country in the region.

 

[Jozo035]

That's from 2010 and it kind of makes sense (retaliation for something Chinese perceive as a hostile action). Japan, on the other hand, is just acting on the orders from US. Japan actions benefit US but not Japan.

Isn't that kind of cold war mentality?

 

[Mooredaddy]

Dangerous game. At some point in time China will play the mineral restriction card?

“Rare earths” aren’t actually rare. There are plenty in the U.S, Canada an elsewhere. It’s just that China is willing to do the extremely pollutive work to mine them while we aren’t. We can figure it out.

 

[Mooredaddy]

That's from 2010 and it kind of makes sense (retaliation for something Chinese perceive as a hostile action). Japan, on the other hand, is just acting on the orders from US. Japan actions benefit US but not Japan.

Right…. Japan has no agency. You sound like you are reading from a Kremlin and CCP talking point card.

 

[Mooredaddy]

US/NATO sends Navy ships all over the world including China and Russia shores all the time. What does this have to do with anything? The story here is that the west declares that they are for the "rule based world system", but the reality is that they insist on being the ones setting the rules and even then they break these rule left and right. Right now US is in violation of many WTO rules.

CCP bot spotted. Terminate with extreme prejudice.

 

[lilo777]

Right…. Japan has no agency. You sound like you are reading from a Kremlin and CCP talking point card.

Are you aware that Japan is still living by the constitution written for them by USA?

 

[Mooredaddy]

Are you aware that Japan is still living by the constitution written for them by USA?

And how did they turn out for them? Post war economic miracle, woman get the right to vote and a vibrant democracy. How awful!!! The Japanese people have chosen to live by the post war constitution time and time again. Work on your propaganda skills please. Your CCP handlers will not be pleased with your poor effort LOL

 

[lilo777]

And how did they turn out for them? Post war economic miracle, woman get the right to vote and a vibrant democracy. How awful!!! The Japanese people have chosen to live by the post war constitution time and time again. Work on your propaganda skills please. Your CCP handlers will not be pleased with your poor effort LOL

Japan economic miracle is long gone. According to the recent report from Australian thin tank: ASPI’s Critical Technology Tracker finds China ahead in 37 of 44 technologies evaluated.

The full report can be found here. In this report, Japan is an afterthought at best. It looks like their constitution might be dragging them down. Nowadays women have voting rights in most (if not all) countries which proves that the country does not need a constitution written by the US for that (and US were not a pioneer of women rights to begin with, not by a long shot). Also, describing Japan as a "vibrant democracy" is a little bit of a stretch: Of the 31 prime ministers since the end of the country's occupation, 24 as well as the longest serving ones have been members of the LDP.Consequently, Japan has been described as a de facto one-party state. You may prefer LDP to CCP but I would not care too much. Besides, US are not that averse to Communist Parties in general. Just look at them courting the Communist Party of Vietnam right now (and CCP before that - until China's economy grew bigger than US economy).

Speaking of "CCP handlers", are you sure you yourself are not a victim of propaganda? China is far from perfect but the way they are portrayed in western mass media is driven by propaganda. Here is just a recent example: Egg In Their Face - Two Anti-China Claims The Wall Street Journal Made Last Weeks Were Fake. So, apparently, WSJ propaganda skills are way better than mine.

 

[Jert]

Japan economic miracle is long gone. According to the recent report from Australian thin tank: ASPI’s Critical Technology Tracker finds China ahead in 37 of 44 technologies evaluated.
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The full report can be found here. In this report, Japan is an afterthought at best. It looks like their constitution might be dragging them down. Nowadays women have voting rights in most (if not all) countries which proves that the country does not need a constitution written by the US for that (and US were not a pioneer of women rights to begin with, not by a long shot). Also, describing Japan as a "vibrant democracy" is a little bit of a stretch: Of the 31 prime ministers since the end of the country's occupation, 24 as well as the longest serving ones have been members of the LDP.Consequently, Japan has been described as a de facto one-party state. You may prefer LDP to CCP but I would not care too much. Besides, US are not that averse to Communist Parties in general. Just look at them courting the Communist Party of Vietnam right now (and CCP before that - until China's economy grew bigger than US economy).

Speaking of "CCP handlers", are you sure you yourself are not a victim of propaganda? China is far from perfect but the way they are portrayed in western mass media is driven by propaganda. Here is just a recent example: Egg In Their Face - Two Anti-China Claims The Wall Street Journal Made Last Weeks Were Fake. So, apparently, WSJ propaganda skills are way better than mine.

you are too funny ;-)

 

[lilo777]

you are so funny ;-)
I'm laughing too hard

I just quoted Wikipedia and ASPI and gave a few facts that nobody is disputing. What's so funny? The facts may not support the narrative being pushed by some mass media but then you should be laughing at the primitivity of the mass media which refuses to give a nuanced picture.

 

[hist78]

Japan economic miracle is long gone. According to the recent report from Australian thin tank: ASPI’s Critical Technology Tracker finds China ahead in 37 of 44 technologies evaluated.
View attachment 1213

The full report can be found here. In this report, Japan is an afterthought at best. It looks like their constitution might be dragging them down. Nowadays women have voting rights in most (if not all) countries which proves that the country does not need a constitution written by the US for that (and US were not a pioneer of women rights to begin with, not by a long shot). Also, describing Japan as a "vibrant democracy" is a little bit of a stretch: Of the 31 prime ministers since the end of the country's occupation, 24 as well as the longest serving ones have been members of the LDP.Consequently, Japan has been described as a de facto one-party state. You may prefer LDP to CCP but I would not care too much. Besides, US are not that averse to Communist Parties in general. Just look at them courting the Communist Party of Vietnam right now (and CCP before that - until China's economy grew bigger than US economy).

Speaking of "CCP handlers", are you sure you yourself are not a victim of propaganda? China is far from perfect but the way they are portrayed in western mass media is driven by propaganda. Here is just a recent example: Egg In Their Face - Two Anti-China Claims The Wall Street Journal Made Last Weeks Were Fake. So, apparently, WSJ propaganda skills are way better than mine.

This report using a funny research method and not surprisingly it got funny findings.

For example, TSMC is based in Republic of China (ROC), Taiwan. It's well recognized as the leader in nano scale/semiconductor manufacturing. Somehow ROC got no reference in this report. Actually this report shows PRC is well ahead of everyone in the world. I think if Chairman Xi sees this report, he will be extremely delighted that PRC's semiconductor industry has finally reached the pinnacle of the world, at least in this report.

Advanced aircraft engine is another example about how funny this report is. Any amateur aircraft enthusiasts should know who has the best jet engines in various categories for civilian or military use. This report seems to assert that GE, Rolls Royce, and Pratt & Whitney already gave the market leadership to an unknown or unnamed or non-existent PRC's jet engine manufacturer.

It's amazing...

 

[Jert]

This report using a funny research method and not surprisingly it got funny findings.

For example, TSMC is based in Republic of China (ROC), Taiwan. It's well recognized as the leader in nano scale/semiconductor manufacturing. Somehow ROC got no reference in this report. Actually this report shows PRC is well ahead of everyone in the world. I think if Chairman Xi sees this report, he will be extremely delighted that PRC's semiconductor industry has finally reached the pinnacle of the world, at least in this report.

Advanced aircraft engine is another example about how funny this report is. Any amateur aircraft enthusiasts should know who has the best jet engines in various categories for civilian or military use. This report seems to assert that GE, Rolls Royce, and Pratt & Whitney already gave the market leadership to an unknown or unnamed or non-existent PRC's jet engine manufacturer.

It's amazing...

It depends on how they defined "China" in this report. Seems to me they've counted Japan, Germany, UK, France, Korea all as "China", certainly Taiwan for sure.
It's amazing, it is...

And, "Nowadays women have voting rights in most (if not all) countries...", well..... isn't China in that "if not all" category??

 

[lilo777]

It depends on how they defined "China" in this report. Seems to me they've counted Japan, Germany, UK, France, Korea all as "China", certainly Taiwan for sure.
It's amazing, it is...

This table is covers only one specific aspect of the report. The full report has data for all the countries you listed (except for Taiwan) but those countries have very little to offer. Here is the quote:
The race to be the next most important technological powerhouse is a close one between the UK and India, both of which claim a place in the top five countries in 29 of the 44 technologies. South Korea and Germany follow closely behind, appearing in the top five countries in 20 and 17 technologies, respectively. Australia is in the top five for nine technologies, followed closely by Italy (seven technologies), Iran (six), Japan (four) and Canada (four). Russia, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, France, Malaysia and the Netherlands are in the top five for one or two technologies. A number of other countries, including Spain and Turkey, regularly make the top 10 countries but aren’t in the top five.

As you can see, Japan is placed below Iran. I know this sounds strange but that's what they came up with and I don't think anyone is going to suspect an Australian think tank in pro-Iran or pro-China bias.

 

[lilo777]

This report using a funny research method and not surprisingly it got funny findings.

For example, TSMC is based in Republic of China (ROC), Taiwan. It's well recognized as the leader in nano scale/semiconductor manufacturing. Somehow ROC got no reference in this report. Actually this report shows PRC is well ahead of everyone in the world. I think if Chairman Xi sees this report, he will be extremely delighted that PRC's semiconductor industry has finally reached the pinnacle of the world, at least in this report.

Advanced aircraft engine is another example about how funny this report is. Any amateur aircraft enthusiasts should know who has the best jet engines in various categories for civilian or military use. This report seems to assert that GE, Rolls Royce, and Pratt & Whitney already gave the market leadership to an unknown or unnamed or non-existent PRC's jet engine manufacturer.

It's amazing...

I think the somewhat surprising conclusions might be explained by the nature of this report. They study the quality of the research and not the current industry status. For example, this is how they explain high China ranking:

The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker.

It takes time for the research to translate into manufacturing success but it's impossible to deny that China made huge progress in advanced manufacturing too.