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C'mon guys. How many of you actually have taped out on time... and you aren't fighting physics.
Ever hear of the Pi factor? I use this multiplier on my software developers. It is accurate to 1.7%.
Gina, you are correct. 14nm is an advanced process. A double patterned process that uses FinFETs (low leakage) with 13 copper routing layers, routable contacts, and diffusion cuts would certainly satisfy most of US needs, even for the DoD.
Based on the LV stdcells, but I can start saying 12nm if it reduces controversy
It takes a lot of work (as you know) to create the correct pitch to use for our layout automation, standard cells, and our policy to have as close to automatic process migration as possible. For example, our 180nm...
poly length... sorry. typo.
In my opinion (and other mixed signal circuit designers who I collaborate with), NRE, timelines, and access to a TRUSTED foundry is everything. Saving pennies on area doesn't matter. The goal is to get as much as you can onto silicon (not on the PC board)
Sqeezing...
Absolutely. They better send their GDS2's (OASIS, whatever) layers to different mask shops. Are they allowed to put their own security guards at the foundry's back door.
Sorry for the confusion. I call it 14nm because that is the drawn poly size. We should probably call it by the gate pitch and M2 pitch, but just use the old standard (poly pitch). I also call tsmc 12ffc "16nm"
GF doesn't have to. The ecosystem around it will.
Advanced packaging (Amkor, etc)...
As far as 28nm... correct, a 28nm ASIC will blow away an FPGA.
Note: Automation makes 28nm obsolete compared to 16-12nm. IanD made a good case for GF22, so we continue to support that.
Mr. Blue: Of course FPGAs are popular and needed, but so are ASICs.
Mr. Ng: Who is knocking 6nm? But why does every foundry need to be leading edge? If you aren't number 1, then you pack up and close? There are lots of customers that don't have $50M NRE budgets. Why is NXP, etc making chips on...
This is why Gunslinger wants to go after them... and he should. He has a foundry. Fire the empire builders, meeting goers, regurgitators, dead wood and hire based on knowledge and creativity. Nvidia is expanding... and hopefully will face massive competition.
Stopping 7nm early was smart. They recognized quadruple patterning was insane. Good move. Stick to double patterning.
They failed. Who doesn't initially. Have you ever developed anything? You keep going. You should not be encouraging quitting.
Do you think continuing to represent a nand gate...
As far as UAE ownership, I thought GF went public to reduce the UAE holding percentage.
Edit: I could argue that GF14 should be split off to being another company. The 14nm facility should not be allowed to merge or be run by any entity run by people outside of the US.
GF 14nm was licensed from Samsung... so what? They have an operating facility now with a great process, correct? Why is Japan funding 28nm and 16nm?
Why is Russia making 130nm?
Why was India begging for 28nm?
Majority owned by the United Arab Emirates.. very disturbing and must be dealt with...
GF has received government funding. There is no way they should be allowed to merge with Intel, TSMC, Samsung, UMC, nor even the suppliers ASML, AMAT, etc.
GF and Micron are one of the few companies that should get funding... and they need to stay in the US.
What's wrong with 14nm?
