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Big Tech and finance companies are telling H-1B employees to get to the US in under 24 hours

How to get rid of the top 3 innovation policies :
1, Skilled immigration /done 100K fee
2, Trade and competition / done Tariffs
3, R&D tax credits. /next

I predict that Trump next will prohibit R&D tax credits.


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So just slash defence spending job done.
Not even close. US 2025 defense spending is $831B, and that's way too low. 2025 spending is only 2.9% of the US GDP. Considering our worldwide responsibilities, the aggressive Chinese military posture, and the woeful state of our hardware systems, we probably should be spending 5% of GDP on defense, given Cold War averages.
Coupled with the massive tax hike from Tariffs , should be all good no?
:ROFLMAO:
 
The US has introduced a sweeping new bill that could shake up global outsourcing. The Halting International Relocation of Employment (HIRE) Act, tabled in September 2025 by Ohio Republican Senator Bernie Moreno, seeks to impose a 25% tax on payments made to foreign firms for services consumed in America. These “outsourcing payments”—covering fees, royalties, and service charges—would also lose their tax deductibility, hitting US companies dependent on offshore IT and business services.

The bill proposes using the tax revenue to create a Domestic Workforce Fund, financing training and apprenticeships for American workers. If passed, the measures would take effect for payments made after 31 December 2025, targeting cost-driven offshoring that, according to backers, hurts US graduates and weakens local employment.

Well, like it or not, it will most probably continue. With unemployment of university graduates being higher than national average and immigration as hot topic all across the world (not only in US) I am sure that we will see more and more people voting for this. Not only US, we have similar initiatives in EU.
 

Well, like it or not, it will most probably continue. With unemployment of university graduates being higher than national average and immigration as hot topic all across the world (not only in US) I am sure that we will see more and more people voting for this. Not only US, we have similar initiatives in EU.
Unfortunately all that means is that more engineering teams will be solely co-located in countries with engineering talent like India and China and there will be fewer jobs left for folks in the US and EU.
 
Unfortunately all that means is that more engineering teams will be solely co-located in countries with engineering talent like India and China and there will be fewer jobs left for folks in the US and EU.
Indeed, there is some quite staggering zero sum game "thinking" going on here with this policy.

There may well be some abuse of the H1B visa system, but there's just no recognition here of the fact that targeted skilled immigration has made the US the tech superpower it is today.

I'm reading elsewhere (haven't verified this myself yet) that the Secretary of Homeland Security (an unelected position if I understand it correctly) will be getting personal discretion to waive the $100K fees for cases considered critical to US security. The potential for abuse is obvious ...
 
The order, which takes effect on September 21 at 12:01 a.m. ET, effectively bars H-1B workers from reentering the country after that deadline unless their sponsoring employer pays the fee.
Place a tax on something and you will get less of it. So we'll have less H-1B workers, most likely.

I view this as an additional sanction on India due to the Russian oil they're buying. That means the fee could be eliminated, as soon as India does what Trump wants.
 
Place a tax on something and you will get less of it. So we'll have less H-1B workers, most likely.

I view this as an additional sanction on India due to the Russian oil they're buying. That means the fee could be eliminated, as soon as India does what Trump wants.
How is this a sanction on India? Lower remittances back to India? If not, India benefits from not having so many trained and skilled workers emigrate to the US rather than stay and bolster the Indian work force.
 
How is this a sanction on India? Lower remittances back to India? If not, India benefits from not having so many trained and skilled workers emigrate to the US rather than stay and bolster the Indian work force.
This is what the google AI says when I searched for "news about India diaspora and employment"

Asside: I should probably check other AIs since google's might be biased on this topic. Google uses a lot of H-1Bs.
  • India's Response:
    Indian political parties have criticized the move and Prime Minister Modi's response to the U.S. H-1B fee, calling his approach "escapist" and not firm enough, according to The Hindu.

  • Potential Economic Impact on India:
    The new policy could hurt India's services sector exports to the U.S., which are a significant contributor to India's economy and growth, according to The Indian Express.
 
This is what the google AI says when I searched for "news about India diaspora and employment"

Aside: I should probably check other AIs since google's might be biased on this topic. Google uses a lot of H-1Bs.
I doubt Gemini is biased.
  • India's Response:
    Indian political parties have criticized the move and Prime Minister Modi's response to the U.S. H-1B fee, calling his approach "escapist" and not firm enough, according to The Hindu.
So, Modi likes highly skilled people to emigrate? Or perhaps he likes the $33B or so per year the US emigrants remit back to India?
Nonsense. The retention of skilled workers in India should bolster India's services sector exports.

I guess the US really is getting their best and brightest.
 
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How to get rid of the top 3 innovation policies :
1, Skilled immigration /done 100K fee
2, Trade and competition / done Tariffs
3, R&D tax credits. /next

I predict that Trump next will prohibit R&D tax credits.


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Do the talents not bring 100k of value??

Otherwise why do CEOs and upper management get paid so much?

I guess if these incoming talents dont effect you then there is nothing but positives to come from the outcomes.
 
Do the talents not bring 100k of value??
Per year, over the cost of US-based personnel? I highly doubt it, except in very exceptional cases.
Otherwise why do CEOs and upper management get paid so much?
Because they have the ability to manage large organizations and budgets, drive the formulation of complex strategies, and provide visible leadership. Do some senior executives fail at these objectives? Of course some do. And then they get fired when they don't achieve results, much more often per position than typical individual contributor engineers.
I guess if these incoming talents don't effect you then there is nothing but positives to come from the outcomes.
I don't think so. For example, just by reducing the candidate population for any job classification you most likely increase the median salary. You'll also increase job hopping.
 
Amazon, Microsoft, JPMorgan, and Meta are among those companies, per employees and internal communications reviewed by Business Insider.

These are also some of the companies that will use AI to displace millions of workers in the next 3-5 years. I am seeing it already. My wife works for one of those companies. There are less than 1M H-1B visa holders in the US. The US will survive without them, no worries at all. Double digit unemployment is much more of a concern. I doubt US politicians are too worried about it but they should be.
 
These are also some of the companies that will use AI to displace millions of workers in the next 3-5 years. I am seeing it already. My wife works for one of those companies. There are less than 1M H-1B visa holders in the US. The US will survive without them, no worries at all. Double digit unemployment is much more of a concern. I doubt US politicians are too worried about it but they should be.
The last Hollywood strike, in 2023, was about AI, in part. Wikipedia: "The union also secured regulation of artificial intelligence (AI), prohibiting exploitation of writers' material to train AI models, produce digital recreations, and efforts to use AI to reduce writers or their pay.[16]"

We could be saved, temporarily, by insufficient electricity. Or shortages of transformers and other gear. Or a lack of real estate for datacenter. Maybe consider voting against these things if you want to keep your job.
 
This situation is a nightmare; for all "employees" involved (the Visa holder and their family, the hiring and project managers who both know the person and are expected to deliver results). The business may get a reputation hit for missed deliverables, and the US continues to appear as a land of "not opportunity" because of crap like this.

All I can contribute is 'ugh'.
 
The US federal deficit is trending towards $1.9T for 2025. No realistic amount of taxation will cut the deficit by much. Only deep spending cuts can do it. Even Trump has to know that. I think he's just playing to what gets cheers from his support base.
Are you suggesting you can't just spend more to solve debt? How can that be !?!??! :)
 
Argument about loss of highly skilled talented PhD is bit manipulative. Specially if You are PhD with few years of experience, in which case companies gladly offer 7 figures. So 100k fee is still problem but i don't think that company will let you go because of that.


So we should recognize that there are differences ad some companies were definitely abusing the system.

...google paid twice as much.

Btw.: Current problem of Hollywood is lack of creativity, not AI or immigrants. Studios were losing money like crazy well before LLM gained serious capabilities.

These are also some of the companies that will use AI to displace millions of workers in the next 3-5 years. I am seeing it already. My wife works for one of those companies. There are less than 1M H-1B visa holders in the US. The US will survive without them, no worries at all. Double digit unemployment is much more of a concern. I doubt US politicians are too worried about it but they should be.
AI Overview

As of August/September 2025, the unemployment rates are approximately 4.3% in the US, 5.3% in China, 5.1% in India, and around 5.9% for the EU (Eurostat data). The US rate has recently increased, while China's rate has edged up, and India's has declined to a recent low. The EU's rate has remained relatively stable, with various member states experiencing different levels of unemployment.

Current youth unemployment rates are high in parts of the EU, with Estonia at 27%, and 18.9% in China. India's youth (15-29) unemployment rate was 10.0% in 2022-23, while the US had a 4.5% recent graduate unemployment rate in May 2024. China's rate for graduates is high, with over 20% of 16-24 year olds unemployed, while India struggles with graduate employability.

Note: Multiple countries suspended publishing youth employment data.
 
These are also some of the companies that will use AI to displace millions of workers in the next 3-5 years. I am seeing it already. My wife works for one of those companies. There are less than 1M H-1B visa holders in the US. The US will survive without them, no worries at all. Double digit unemployment is much more of a concern. I doubt US politicians are too worried about it but they should be.

They will only be concerned if it could lead to them getting voted out.
 
There are less than 1M H-1B visa holders in the US. The US will survive without them, no worries at all. Double digit unemployment is much more of a concern. I doubt US politicians are too worried about it but they should be.

The thing is, all these engineers will be very happy to get paid $100k living in their home countries.

There are places with 1st world living across much of the world now, for 1/20th the cost. Climate in South Asia is much nicer than in America, their children will play with others from the same culture. Bengaluru has less public defecation problem than San Francisco.

Especially, there is a very huge pressure for people from Muslim background. How do they look in the eyes to their children, when they hear gas chamber rhetoric from from government people on TV?

If anyone watches stuff on youtube.com. There was a story of a Pakistani millionaire trending, who moved back to his home country after decades in the US, and taking his business empire with him.

Americans' biggest concern should be not whether Google, or Microsoft will flop overnight tomorrow, but whether these $1m of very rich labourers will go home, and build their own Google, and Microsoft, which will eventually outcompete the originals by leveraging many times cheaper cost of educated labour there.
 
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Prime Example is China when America outsourced manufacturing to China for Sweet margins.

Sweet margins and less pollution. Semiconductor manufacturing was quite toxic back in the day. Not as much now but it was really bad in the 60s and 70s. Ground water and air was poisoned in favor of profits. The EPA definitely gets the assist in pushing manufacturing overseas.
 
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