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‘Zero Interest in Doing Business’: TSMC Snubs Phoenix Construction Workers

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‘Zero Interest in Doing Business’: TSMC Snubs Phoenix Construction Workers​

The building trades just won a surprise victory through the city council. But despite the hot labor market, securing manufacturing jobs is an uphill battle for organized labor.

President Biden and Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo took a victory lap through Phoenix in December, when they announced that federal subsidies in the CHIPS Act had lured one of the largest foreign direct investments in U.S. history. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) plans to spend $40 billion in Arizona as it builds a new state-of-the-art “fab,” where it will produce leading-edge computer chips.

The Inflation Reduction Act has brought even more business to the desert city. Soon after the law passed, a startup raised $75 million to build a new lithium-ion battery factory outside Phoenix. And a bevy of chips- and greentech-linked industries are breaking ground, creating a cluster of advanced technology jobs in the metro area. All this has come on top of a massive influx of residents to Phoenix, the fastest-growing big city in America, that shows no sign of letting up.

Biden’s sales pitch at the fab emphasized the importance of “hiring union folks.” Yet local contractors continue to rely heavily on non-union workers. So far, TSMC has declined to sign a deal with labor, which union leaders stress would ensure a supply of skilled workers for the Phoenix plant.

“The parking lot is just full of Louisiana and Texas license plates. They’d rather import non-union workers who would be paid a subpar wage than even have a conversation with the unions,” said Aaron Butler, president of Arizona’s Building and Construction Trades Council. Butler managed to secure one meeting, over Zoom, with TSMC Senior Vice President Peter Cleveland. “It was the iciest meeting I’ve ever been in,” he said. “There is zero interest in doing business with us.”

Arizona has long been a right-to-work state, meaning that even in unionized shops, workers can choose not to pay dues. That has devastated union density and drained the coffers of local chapters. The unions that are able to survive in this arid climate are typically the most technical crafts, like electricians and sheet metal workers, which require longer apprenticeships.

Now that the labor market is heating up, some less technical crafts lack the manpower to immediately staff jobs. Even where they have had available workers, several labor representatives said they have been met with hostility from TSMC in particular. LiUNA Local 1184, the Laborers’ Union, does not have a single worker at the site, according to business manager Mike Dea. Carpenters, cement layers, and brickmasons have also struggled.

Butler’s own Local 469, which represents plumbers, pipe fitters, and HVAC technicians, has been able to place workers at the TSMC project, where he estimates that his local provides around 60 percent of the mechanical work. The sheet metal workers’ local has also seen recent growth, increasing membership from around 500 in 2018 to 850 today, according to Jeff Holly, Local 359 business manager.

But with less-skilled crafts currently lacking manpower, the building trades have sought guarantees that work will be available once they have rebuilt their ranks. That will require investment in training. “It’s a chicken-and-egg game,” Butler said, since many of the unions are “holding out on training investments because they’re broke.”

UNIONS ARE SEEKING CERTAINTY in the form of a project labor agreement, which would set wages and work rules while still giving TSMC the right to hire non-union workers if organized labor is unable to meet staffing needs. Crucially, a PLA would increase investment in training, both by giving unions reason to invest and by setting a level for employer contributions.

But the Commerce Department’s guidance for companies seeking CHIPS subsidies, released last month, only lists project labor agreements as a nice-to-have. PLAs were cut from the bipartisan CHIPS legislation during negotiations. That has given union leaders far less leverage in talks.

The chilly standoff between labor and employers in Phoenix might come as a surprise to national pundits who have criticized CHIPS guidance as gummed up with costly labor and environmental standards.

Writing in The New York Times this week, Ezra Klein echoed TSMC’s complaint that the company’s expenditures in Arizona could be as much as four times those in Taiwan. There is little serious effort to lower costs of construction and reshoring, he wrote, with the government instead “layering on requirements.”

Klein pointed to language in the guidance urging companies to use female construction workers, including by ensuring access to child care. (The guidance doesn’t ask companies to provide child care—just to check that affordable options are available near the job site.) Likewise, PLAs are not required, just “strongly encouraged.”

In the highly concentrated semiconductor industry, where a few key players are the overwhelmingly likely recipients of funding, these nonbinding wish list items in guidance amount to little more than polite suggestions.

Despite the uncertainty about future demand from TSMC, however, some unions are forging ahead with big workforce investments. LiUNA is building a $6.5 million training center outside Phoenix, looking to bulk up so they can ultimately win jobs.

UNION CONSTRUCTION WORKERS JUST WON a foothold in Phoenix that has nothing to do with federal funding, when the city council narrowly voted last month to raise the pay for workers on city construction jobs. That could increase pay scales in the private sector, which is competing for construction workers.

Prevailing wage requires contractors on government projects to pay their workers no less than the typical salary for the trade in that region. It’s basically a sector-specific minimum wage, intended to prevent a race to the bottom for the cheapest workers.

Phoenix’s ordinance takes the prevailing-wage system that the Department of Labor already uses on federal projects and applies it to city development. It includes a carve-out for residential construction, so that it does not directly impact affordable housing.

The most right-wing member of the council joined progressives in supporting the ordinance, which they passed in a 5-4 vote over the objections of business-friendly Mayor Kate Gallego. Gallego’s former senior policy adviser is now director of state government relations at TSMC, and industry groups for contractors bitterly opposed the measure.

A similar ordinance failed in 2021. Vice Mayor Yassamin Ansari, who voted for the measure, said it had gained bipartisan support this time because “there’s a war on the working class. I think Democrats and Republicans can often agree on this.”

Workers spoke in favor of the ordinance at a heated city council meeting in March. “Downtown was pretty much built by people from out of town,” said Jason Sangster, business manager of Phoenix’s Ironworkers Local 75. “It was built by Texans, it still is being built by Texans.”

Sangster noted that his local completed its last project for the city in 2012, more than a decade ago. The prevailing-wage ordinance would allow his contractors to bid downtown, he said.

A representative of the Arizona Builders Alliance, an affiliate of the national industry group Associated Builders and Contractors, warned councilors that the ordinance would be met with legal challenges.

Dea, of the Laborers, said the new prevailing wage for city construction workers could lift standards for Phoenix—and made the case for investing in training union workers for the long haul.

“If the rest of the country’s economics went down, the city of Phoenix wouldn’t for years,” Dea said. He predicts “five or six years of boom time, in the public sector alone. They’ve got to do it because of all the infill, infrastructure, schools, water treatment, streets, just to handle the people that have moved here.”
 
Already a culture clash.
I disagree, Fred. It's not a culture clash. It is a clash of politics. For example, there are a group of politicians in the US who align themselves with labor unions to get votes, just like in Europe. I'm sure it is the same in many western countries. In the US the alignment between some politicians and public service unions is especially troublesome, especially at the metropolitan level. The US has gone through political cycles like this for about 120 years now, and we might be due for a phase change.

In my opinion, one cannot really understand the impact of unions in the US workplace until they are forced to be a member of a union and work under a union contract. I was a member of a national-level labor union early in my work life, the AFL-CIO as a matter of fact, and I have not been supportive of commercial sector unions since. It was a disgusting experience. (I'm also of the opinion that public service unions should be illegal in the US, as they were at the federal level before 1962, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.)

You should also note that The American Prospect is a very left-leaning organization, and one of the founders was Robert Reich. Reich is one of the leading socialists in the US, and a former US Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration.

It was easy to predict that TSMC would not find manufacturing in the US easy or familiar. I definitely get the impression that TSMC executives have a mindset that they're doing the US a favor by manufacturing here. That actually might be the case, but it will not serve them well and IMO will likely be an impediment to their success.
 
Having worked both union, nonunion and on my own (I hold an electrical, general and communications contractor's licenses in Ca), the construction unions do have good training, but the nonunion sector performs at the same level and has far more flexibility needed in the fast changing world we live in. Politics, definitely won out over skill level in many situations dragging down quality and productivity over all. Unions also have jurisdictional challenges where some that were totally unqualified had preference on the work. Sadly, politics in unions take precedence over common sense.
 
Having worked both union, nonunion and on my own (I hold an electrical, general and communications contractor's licenses in Ca), the construction unions do have good training, but the nonunion sector performs at the same level and has far more flexibility needed in the fast changing world we live in. Politics, definitely won out over skill level in many situations dragging down quality and productivity over all. Unions also have jurisdictional challenges where some that were totally unqualified had preference on the work. Sadly, politics in unions take precedence over common sense.
There is one US union I have a lot of respect for. The IBEW, for electrical linemen. My wife used to work with these guys when she worked for government power administrations. If there has to be unions, this is what they should look like, IMO.

 
I disagree, Fred. It's not a culture clash. It is a clash of politics. For example, there are a group of politicians in the US who align themselves with labor unions to get votes, just like in Europe. I'm sure it is the same in many western countries. In the US the alignment between some politicians and public service unions is especially troublesome, especially at the metropolitan level. The US has gone through political cycles like this for about 120 years now, and we might be due for a phase change.

In my opinion, one cannot really understand the impact of unions in the US workplace until they are forced to be a member of a union and work under a union contract. I was a member of a national-level labor union early in my work life, the AFL-CIO as a matter of fact, and I have not been supportive of commercial sector unions since. It was a disgusting experience. (I'm also of the opinion that public service unions should be illegal in the US, as they were at the federal level before 1962, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.)

You should also note that The American Prospect is a very left-leaning organization, and one of the founders was Robert Reich. Reich is one of the leading socialists in the US, and a former US Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration.

It was easy to predict that TSMC would not find manufacturing in the US easy or familiar. I definitely get the impression that TSMC executives have a mindset that they're doing the US a favor by manufacturing here. That actually might be the case, but it will not serve them well and IMO will likely be an impediment to their success.
There's hardly a union presence in Taiwan.
 
There's hardly a union presence in Taiwan.
Unless the figures I'm reading are incorrect, union membership in Taiwan as a proportion of workers is about three times as high as in the US. However, the unions in Taiwan appear to have no political power. If only that were the case in the US.

More problematic perhaps is that the north-south light rail line TSMC was counting on, which was supposed to be funded by a sales tax increase, apparently will not be built. Arizona politics have become weird over the past few years. TSMC just might need the company town Dan alluded to a while back to reduce long commutes.
 
Unless the figures I'm reading are incorrect, union membership in Taiwan as a proportion of workers is about three times as high as in the US. However, the unions in Taiwan appear to have no political power. If only that were the case in the US.

More problematic perhaps is that the north-south light rail line TSMC was counting on, which was supposed to be funded by a sales tax increase, apparently will not be built. Arizona politics have become weird over the past few years. TSMC just might need the company town Dan alluded to a while back to reduce long commutes.
Yes, the union definition/role is basically or practically different. There are hardly strikes, pickets, etc. (but I do remember one time with China Airlines, airline unions have the most visibility, it seems). The expectations over wages are mutual, for the most part.

But for TSMC's case, a union going against them would be suicidal. TSMC gets all the popular support.
 
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There is one US union I have a lot of respect for. The IBEW, for electrical linemen. My wife used to work with these guys when she worked for government power administrations. If there has to be unions, this is what they should look like, IMO.

Sadly, I have seen total, lazy idiots protected by the IBEW due to politics, although there training is excellent. Until they stop protecting lazy idiots they will have problems. I know the hard working and knowledgeable members of the IBEW severely disliked the idiots that made it because of political or family connections. Sadly, in many cases, connections ruled over skills and this directly applied to some of their training programs to the point it limited their future.
 
Maybe things are changing blueone:

"it had gained bipartisan support this time because “there’s a war on the working class. I think Democrats and Republicans can often agree on this.”
 
I work, indirectly (since I'm blue badge) with skilled union mechanical contractors. They work hard, from 5:30 to 2:30. Most of the rest of the fab project people are 8-5, so they leave first, and it extends jobs by a day; waiting for the contractors to arrive the next day.

That's a little thing, and I'm not complaining. Unions are independent, that's their purpose. But it has the effect of doubling costs, doubling tool downtime, making schedules precarious, and I know none of that exists in Taiwan. They just work through in Taiwan. Little things are actually big things.
 
I work, indirectly (since I'm blue badge) with skilled union mechanical contractors. They work hard, from 5:30 to 2:30. Most of the rest of the fab project people are 8-5, so they leave first, and it extends jobs by a day; waiting for the contractors to arrive the next day.

That's a little thing, and I'm not complaining. Unions are independent, that's their purpose. But it has the effect of doubling costs, doubling tool downtime, making schedules precarious, and I know none of that exists in Taiwan. They just work through in Taiwan. Little things are actually big things.
That sounds so dumb there must a reason for it, or some manager would have tried to do something about that disconnect. I can't imagine what, but there must be a reason.
 
Maybe things are changing blueone:

"it had gained bipartisan support this time because “there’s a war on the working class. I think Democrats and Republicans can often agree on this.”
If that's what change is it's for the worse. It just looks like vote-buying to me. Unions should not be allowed to spend union dues on political lobbying.
 
Sadly, I have seen total, lazy idiots protected by the IBEW due to politics, although there training is excellent. Until they stop protecting lazy idiots they will have problems. I know the hard working and knowledgeable members of the IBEW severely disliked the idiots that made it because of political or family connections. Sadly, in many cases, connections ruled over skills and this directly applied to some of their training programs to the point it limited their future.

With all the good original intention, some unions often went to the wrong road.

"The mission of OCGS includes combating the infiltration by organized criminal groups of labor unions, employer organizations and their affiliated employee benefit plans. OCGS' Labor-Management Racketeering Unit supports federal criminal prosecution and civil litigation involving labor-management relations, internal labor union affairs, and the operation of employee pension and health care plans in the private sector.

Historically, organized criminal groups such as La Cosa Nostra or the Mafia gained substantial corrupt influence, and even control, over labor unions by creating a climate of fear and intimidation among employers and union members by threats and acts of violence. Working the United States Attorney’s Offices, the Labor-Management Racketeering Unit in OCGS has assisted criminal prosecution and civil RICO lawsuits to eliminate such corrupt influence and control of labor unions and their affiliated organizations. As of 2020, the United States had obtained relief in 24 civil RICO cases involving labor organizations affiliated with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), the Laborers International Union of North American (LIUNA), the former Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union (HEREIU), and the International Longshoreman's Association (ILA).

During the period from 2017 to 2021, the Labor-Management Racketeering Unit worked with the United States Attorney’s Office in Detroit to charge and obtain guilty pleas from the Fiat-Chrysler Association (FCA), officials of the FCA, and the United Auto Workers (UAW) union involving more than $3.5 million in illegal payments and gifts from the FCA to officials of the UAW. As a result of those and other guilty pleas involving abuse of union funds, the UAW agreed to be subject to court-approved officers as part of an anti-fraud consent decree directed at the removal of corruption within the UAW."

 
That sounds so dumb there must a reason for it, or some manager would have tried to do something about that disconnect. I can't imagine what, but there must be a reason.
At TESLA, they have everyone start at 5:30, which is one way to resolve this. Imagine 5000 engineers trying to be productive at 5:30am. At least it makes traffic less of a hassle.

I'm not anti-union. With no union influence, there is this creep of longer and longer hours, more and more work in the same amount of time, and pressure from above to reduce, reduce, reduce. It's incremental, slowly boiling the frog. Union influence prevents that.

But the lack of unions in Taiwan, plus a generally higher esteem for fab work, is part of the equation for lower costs in foreign countries. Tesla is like Taiwan, with a couple of differences. The job has a higher status and esteem, for one. Tesla also pays elite salaries, that somewhat compensate for 60 hour weeks. This may be where TSMC in AZ lands, higher pay for longer hours. Which will be poisonous for the TW employees who work the same hours for 1/3 of the pay.

Bringing us full circle to the basic fact: No unions=Much lower pay.
 
Yes, the union definition/role is basically or practically different. There are hardly strikes, pickets, etc. (but I do remember one time with China Airlines, airline unions have the most visibility, it seems). The expectations over wages are mutual, for the most part.

But for TSMC's case, a union going against them would be suicidal. TSMC gets all the popular support.
I had an impression that there is some near constant labour action at China Telecom
 
There is one US union I have a lot of respect for. The IBEW, for electrical linemen. My wife used to work with these guys when she worked for government power administrations. If there has to be unions, this is what they should look like, IMO.

In IBEW training politics sometimes rules and has held back progress. In the jurisdiction I worked in a second rate person was chosen by politics over much, much more qualified people. Unions do good things, but they also have a severe downside and in many cases actually hold back progress. This is especially true in data distribution. They also use politics to take control of public works projects, driving prices higher for the tax payer. There are many great people in the IBEW, but many have been stymied by politics.
 
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