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US Commerce Secretary Lutnick claims China has ASML EUV tool

Fred Chen

Moderator

US claims China has ASML tool​

RESTRICTION BREACH: ASML said that it denies ‘unfounded rumors regarding non-compliance with export controls concerning China,’ and enforces controls strictly​


US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick in a series of recent meetings outlined concerns to Dutch chip-equipment giant ASML Holding NV’s senior leaders that one of its top-of-the-line machines might have made its way into China, in violation of US-led export restrictions.

In the meetings, Lutnick expressed concern to ASML executives over the company’s extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) machines, people familiar with the talks said.

EUV systems are used by firms such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (台積電) to manufacture processors for the likes of Nvidia Corp and Apple Inc.

ASML has never been allowed to ship them to China because of curbs imposed during the first administration of US President Donald Trump.

ASML has pushed back on Lutnick’s suggestion, saying that none of the tools — which are the size of a school bus, are manufactured in limited quantities and they require constant upkeep from ASML employees — are in China, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe private conversations.

Asked about the meetings, a company spokesperson said that ASML talks with all governments and that it has never shipped an EUV machine to China.

The Commerce Department did not respond to multiple queries on the matter.

Multiple senior administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive matter, said they have evidence indicating that ASML is not acting in good faith — such as exports to China of gear specifically related to EUV tools, which ASML denied to Bloomberg.

The US officials, who did not comment on Lutnick’s meetings with ASML, declined multiple requests from Bloomberg for evidence of the shipments, citing the sensitivity of the information and sources.

They also declined to say whether they had seen evidence of an EUV system in China.

Persistent concerns from senior levels of the Trump administration — including a Cabinet official — add to pressure on Europe’s most valuable company, which has previously fielded allegations by US officials that its business activities undermine US national security and tech policies.

“ASML regularly engages in transparent and open dialogue with government leaders globally,” a company spokesperson said. “We recognize the national security considerations behind export control regulations in the US and the Netherlands, and we’re fully committed to complying with all applicable regulations.”

ASML has previously “refuted several unfounded rumors regarding non-compliance with export controls concerning China which were inaccurate and damaging to our reputation,” the spokesperson said.

A representative of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the Netherlands takes seriously the responsibility that comes with its “unique role in the semiconductor industry.”

The country also enforces restrictions on EUV tools and other exports “very strictly” and “always intervenes where necessary,” the representative said.

China’s lack of access to EUV tools is perhaps the single toughest constraint faced by artificial intelligence (AI) chip champion Huawei Technologies Co (華為) — the Asian country’s top rival to Nvidia.

Huawei’s top semiconductor executive touted the company’s innovations in making chips without ASML’s EUV machines in a rare English-language public appearance.

If an EUV system did make it to China, that would be among the biggest known violations of US-led curbs designed to limit Beijing’s access to AI that could benefit its military.

 
I've been thinking about this a bit more. I would be surprised if China didn't at least have full plans for an EUV machine by now:

- There are hundreds of these machines around the world, now.
- The facilities have security, but they're not military bases
- The data for how the machines work, including repair information has very likely been sent across the internet many times
- I would expect "Foreign nationals" have visited the rooms that these EUV machines sit in somewhere (Intel, Samsung, TSMC, ASML) - gatheirng intelligence
- The machines have been around for years at this point
- Countries with functional intelligence agencies have well proven ways of getting information out of individuals

China may not have a full machine, but I didn't see ASML saying that they've accounted for every single part ever manufactured for an EUV machine, nor guarenteeing that they have DoD level controls for data management. China probably already has enough information to build a machine, and also probably has actual production parts that go into a machine. Whether they are the most critical parts, or they have enough expertise is a different story - though they have a lot of very smart engineers..

I'd personally rate Lutnicks comments likely a little misleading, but not too far off the mark.
 
I've been thinking about this a bit more. I would be surprised if China didn't at least have full plans for an EUV machine by now:

- There are hundreds of these machines around the world, now.
- The facilities have security, but they're not military bases
- The data for how the machines work, including repair information has very likely been sent across the internet many times
- I would expect "Foreign nationals" have visited the rooms that these EUV machines sit in somewhere (Intel, Samsung, TSMC, ASML) - gatheirng intelligence
- The machines have been around for years at this point
- Countries with functional intelligence agencies have well proven ways of getting information out of individuals

China may not have a full machine, but I didn't see ASML saying that they've accounted for every single part ever manufactured for an EUV machine, nor guarenteeing that they have DoD level controls for data management. China probably already has enough information to build a machine, and also probably has actual production parts that go into a machine. Whether they are the most critical parts, or they have enough expertise is a different story - though they have a lot of very smart engineers..

I'd personally rate Lutnicks comments likely a little misleading, but not too far off the mark.
It's possible different individuals in China could have specialized knowledge about specific components of an ASML EUV system, e.g., mirror, source, etc. But it still takes an integrator with the accumulated decades of experience among many people like ASML to put it all successfully together. If we take a look at SMEE, it doesn't look like it has reached that stage yet. Otherwise, their alleged 28nm DUV immersion systems should have been in use by now. If there are no reports of SMEE's success, but only rumors of their ongoing delay, to have an ASML-like system really should not be expected.
 
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