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Interesting tsmc Yield Percentile Benchmark in Overseas Fabs

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hskuo

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From these charts, it looks like tsmc overseas Fabs (JPN and US) ramped up quite good.

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Well you see you are wrong. Morris Chang and the echo chamber of the internet said American worker are stupid dumb and lazy, and what Taiwan has cannot be replicated. Your data is invalid :cool:

siliconbruh999 said:
I am surprised at JASM
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Why? If anything yield should have started about where Taiwan is right now since TSMC said for their foreign fabs they would be using Copy Exactly! Erm I mean Global giga fab ™️. The fact it didn't is extremely concerning. The only alternative is the time is not adjusted with an offset between the alpha fab and the new fab and the difference between the top and bottom of the graph is like a 2% yield delta. Which I guess is possible, but hard to imagine given how useless/misleading a plot like that would be.
 
nghanayem said:
Well you see you are wrong. Morris Chang and the echo chamber of the internet said American worker are stupid dumb and lazy, and what Taiwan has cannot be replicated. Your data is invalid :cool:


Why? If anything yield should have started about where Taiwan is right now since TSMC said for their foreign fabs they would be using Copy Exactly! Erm I mean Global giga fab ™️. The fact it didn't is extremely concerning. The only alternative is the time is not adjusted with an offset between the alpha fab and the new fab and the difference between the top and bottom of the graph is like a 2% yield delta. Which I guess is possible, but hard to imagine given how useless/misleading a plot like that would be.
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The NYTimes had reported that they had brought in a lot of folks from Taiwan to Arizona so Morris Chang would still contend that he is right :).
 
osnium said:
The NYTimes had reported that they had brought in a lot of folks from Taiwan to Arizona so Morris Chang would still contend that he is right :).
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LOL, it was the local hires, those in the know 90% of the work done by the 60% assignees. They were beaten too do the work of the locals
 
hskuo said:
From these charts, it looks like tsmc overseas Fabs (JPN and US) ramped up quite good.
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This is a funny plot, I am surprised how low the starting point of the overseas. The right plot would be to show the yield or dd for the life of N4 and N22 a show the matching of the high volume mother fab. They’d each start higher up on the reference curve, with a fast ramp to match.
 
Xebec said:
Presumably, the overseas fabs were ramped up after the initial Taiwan fab(s).. shouldn't it be a bit easier to more quickly ramp a process?
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Dr. Cliff Hou presented on manufacturing. Audience members were not supposed to take pictures but of course some did thus ruining it for all. Back in the day TSMC presented much more detailed information.

Is it really surprising that yield is replicated from one fab to another? The last time I was at a TSMC fab there were no people walking around inside. It is very automated and I can imagine the TSMC AZ fabs are VERY automated. So the lazy American fab worker theory does not apply here. I did notice on the ariel photos that the parking lots are very clean. Go American workers!
 
nghanayem said:
Well you see you are wrong. Morris Chang and the echo chamber of the internet said American worker are stupid dumb and lazy, and what Taiwan has cannot be replicated. Your data is invalid :cool:
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what Taiwan has cannot be replicated. （at same cost.）
 
BruceA said:
LOL, it was the local hires, those in the know 90% of the work done by the 60% assignees. They were beaten too do the work of the locals
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How long is that sustainable for and what happens when the Taiwanese assignees move back to Hsinchu or learn about the merits of work life balance from their American colleagues?
 
osnium said:
How long is that sustainable for and what happens when the Taiwanese assignees move back to Hsinchu or learn about the merits of work life balance from their American colleagues?
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Under YL there is no concept of work life balance. It is work and more work for the Fab21 success and his success. Those that don’t work for his success and look to return to Taiwan are black listed. Subtle things like bad reviews or blocking opportunities.

Taiwanes will take a lot for the opportunity of American life for their children and spouse. They are getting much smarter in hiring by tapping into fewer all Americans but immigrants with visa restrictions as well as see the pay to worn still a good opportunity.

That work ethic to get ahead for the success of the company at any cost is not very often seen and why manufacturing has disappeared in semiconductor. Smart people would rather work 90 hours plus on wall street to make far more than toil in factories. Or toil in a startup with hope of IPO. Just hard work for a good pay isn’t resonating for most especially 90 hours with daily berating
 
BruceA said:
Under YL there is no concept of work life balance. It is work and more work for the Fab21 success and his success. Those that don’t work for his success and look to return to Taiwan are black listed. Subtle things like bad reviews or blocking opportunities.

Taiwanes will take a lot for the opportunity of American life for their children and spouse. They are getting much smarter in hiring by tapping into fewer all Americans but immigrants with visa restrictions as well as see the pay to worn still a good opportunity.

That work ethic to get ahead for the success of the company at any cost is not very often seen and why manufacturing has disappeared in semiconductor. Smart people would rather work 90 hours plus on wall street to make far more than toil in factories. Or toil in a startup with hope of IPO. Just hard work for a good pay isn’t resonating for most especially 90 hours with daily berating
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These globally matched curves prove that TSMC management, workforce, and supply chain, are in complete harmony, one way or another. Bravo to them. 👏
 
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