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    Fab manufacturing questions

    "for example: if litho machines are $120M each and etch machines are $10M each and you get approximately the same cycle-time/throughput behavior from 4 litho tools + 20 etch tools = $680M, or 5 litho tools + 12 etch tools = $720M, then you're going to pick the $680M case." I don't think that...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    There are essentially no operators in a 300mm fab, too few to matter. Wafers are all moved in FOUPs by overhead transport systems so idle no operator is a thing of the past, Decisions on what to process are all handled by automation too. I believe unscheduled down time is the biggest issue. It...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    I would also say the state of the art fabs get to mature manufacturing performance in the first year or so and after that improvements are incremental, not "huge".
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    I disagree, a well designed fab will balance the tools across the fab to the greatest extent possible because the "constraint" will move, designing a deliberate constraint under utilizes everything else. How well that can be done is highly dependent on the fab size, the bigger the fab the better...
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    Fab manufacturing questions

    This is a surprisingly complex subject. I remember back in the late nineties at the Advanced Semiconductor Manufacturing Conference there was a lot of talk about the Theory of Constraints and everyone was reading "The Goal" by Eliyahu M. Goldratt. There was at least one company who designed a...
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    HKMG on DRAM nodes

    HKMG is used in the periphery for high performance DRAM. Samsung started making DRAM with and without HKMG beginning at 1x, Micron at 1z and SK Hynix at 1a. Samsung 1x is 7 years old, HKMG isn't that recent an addition. It is only used when needed for performance due to the cost sensitivity of DRAM.
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    I took that same course at IEDM, I also know Paul pretty well. With all due respect to Paul, a few comments. "As I'm sure you have heard, simple dimensional scaling (aka Moore's Law) is running out of steam, and DTCO approaches are required to keep scaling on track." What Gordon Moore...
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    Imec developed an incredibly dense vertical FET (VFET) SRAM with a relatively simple process flow years ago and my understanding is no one is interested in it. As far as I can tell none of the leading edge logic companies are working on vertical FETs. When I first saw it I thought it would be a...
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    Minimum number of M2 tracks over a standard cell

    Yes i4 is 3 fins and 5 tracks, they really squeezed the cell boundaries and n-p spacing
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    Minimum number of M2 tracks over a standard cell

    GLOBALFOUNDRIES 7nm paper at IEDM 2017 was 6 tracks as I wrote about here: https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/intel/7191-iedm-2017-intel-versus-globalfoundries-at-the-leading-edge/
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    Minimum number of M2 tracks over a standard cell

    I don't completely understand it myself, I will touch base with someone I know at Imec. I thought I had a general idea but I am not so sure now. By the way, what is GF7?
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    I don't have specific numbers for 8nm, I just picked that because it is the last generation before EUV at the foundries. The key point to me is resistance was always an issue but a manageable one and it wasn't until recently that it became such a problem that people started looking at solutions...
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    Forksheet is basically making a HNS into a FinFET turned on it's side and you lose some electrostatic control
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    Durations of process steps?

    It depends on what you make and who your customers are. Foundries need shorter cycle times to respond to changing market conditions. If you are making diodes you might not care about cycle time and just load up the fab. If you are early in the yield curve for memory you also need short cycle...
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    With respect to HNS, they are a natural evolution from FinFETs with 85-90% of the process steps in common. HNS have better electrostatic control than FinFETs and gets you about 3nm in Lg resulting in smaller CPP. They also provide better Weff per unit of horizontal area. Once you are into HNS...
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    The benefits don't justify the cost and complexity. If we define "DUV" processes as 8nm and above, Backside power delivery (BSPD) solves two problems at the leading edge that don't exist for "DUV": 1) BSPD can reduce the width of the cell boundary enabling 5 track or shorter cell height, but...
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    Why do you think VFET is a pre-requisite for monolithic 3D, monolithic CFETs with HNS have already been demonstrated and I personally know of work being done or more than 2 layers.
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    The viability of CFET alternatives?

    I agree with Ian, backside power will be introduced at 2nm, it will not be used for larger nodes.
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    Do wafer costs decline as a node matures?

    For a given node the cost to run wafers goes down by more than a half over the first five years. Initially ramping up and improving yield, eventually equipment becomes fully depreciated and that is a huge cost drop. Labor costs generally drift up and most material costs drift down, although...
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    Minimum number of M2 tracks over a standard cell

    My understanding is FinFETs can get to 5 tracks without BPR or backside power delivery, HNS need BPR or backside power delivery to get to 5 tracks. Forksheets can get HNS to around 4.3 tracks and there are some other routing tricks that can get HNS to 4 tracks. CFET can get below 4 tracks.
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